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Re: Jews & Muslims-Very Similar Violent Parasitical Tribal Cults

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 12 Sep 2011 00:46

Sorensen731 wrote:It's hard to imagine what was really going on, what really happened, but the dates given to us are statistically impossible and contradict each other, it makes no sense. It has been made much much longer, and I guess the events they wanted to hide were sent to distant past and the world they wanted to implement was shown to have already be the norm for quite some time, not something new based on recent conquest or changes or cataclysms. I am completely certain Christianity is not more than three centuries old, maybe less.

When was the 1611 King James Bible printed?

I do think the dates have been pushed back in time for many events.
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Re: Jews & Muslims-Very Similar Violent Parasitical Tribal C

Postby rerevisionist » 12 Sep 2011 01:34

Sorensen731 typed the quotation about dates, not me.

There are some firmly established dating systems. The Egyptian list of Pharaohs is one. (However, there's a complication - on of the Pharaohs, Akhenaton I think, tried to change or reform the system; I presume this applied to some of his successors, but anyway a few centuries of Egyptian history is, as a result, uncertain. Peter James and others wrote on this in Centuries of Darkness.) In Britain there are legal records, all dated by the reigning Monarchs, which I presume go back to 1066 or so. The Chinese, according to Joseph Needham, had a very extensive system of dates spanning a couple of millennia. (Sorensen731 may be claiming these were faked). There must be other records - Roman Catholic Church for example, northern Italian Banks, East India Co, Hindu documents maybe, which are intact. There must be incomplete records surviving from various destructions, for example in Russia and German Principalities. And single records - building plans, receipts and payments, contracts, land assignments, treaties surviving from muniment rooms, treasuries, chancelleries, cathedrals, guilds, and what have you.

So I'm note sure the situation is quite as desperate at Sorensen's Russian authors make out. Possibly they developed their ideas because they were freed up, by Bolshevik destruction and mass-murder, and Jewish indifference to truth, and left unsure of any historical truths. So I was fascinated to hear these very broad and interesting hypotheses. But, as seems always the case, official historians will simply not comment except in vague and dismissive terms. (This happened with Peter James and his team). In fact this thread doesn't belong here - maybe I'll move it. However, it would be nice to have these peoples' views presented in a digestible form. I quail before the prospect of what might be badly-reasoned material.
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Re: Jews & Muslims-Very Similar Violent Parasitical Tribal C

Postby Sorensen731 » 12 Sep 2011 12:47

rerevisionist wrote:There are some firmly established dating systems.

I disagree, we have a calculated later "birth of Christ", a calculated later "founding of Rome" and everything forced to link with any of this dates.

rerevisionist wrote:The Chinese, according to Joseph Needham, had a very extensive system of dates spanning a couple of millennia. (Sorensen731 may be claiming these were faked). There must be other records - Roman Catholic Church for example, northern Italian Banks, East India Co,

Mateo Rici is said to have written Confucius's books, Inquisition didn't stop in Europe, the Spanish went destroying "pagan" temples everywhere, documents specially, remember the British and the French controlled all the world, all Asia, all colonies were under a few European rulers, which were under Judaic-Masonic influence or control. So, the chance is there. What we know, is what we are told in school. Few research things on their own, without chains to University or dependent money.

If you know German, this are good http://dillum.ch/html/dillum_buecher_von_christoph_pfister.htm He has three of his books freely available about the analysis of Swiss architecture, documents, battles and history in general, a full independent neutral autopsy.

In confidential exams or laboratory analysis, when you correcting you are not given a name, so you can work without social pressure of the expected result.

You can't go reading the contradictory facts, that kills Official History with a distrusting feeling always trying to confront them with "But...what about...this and that!.."
No, you read the exact arguments they offered, check them, and if correct, the building goes down. If the dates and facts of the discovery(of America) are absurd, then they are absurd.

Fomenko's works are online on scribd or google books, christoph pfister in German too, and http://www.ilya.it/chrono/ has lots of authors and articles.


rerevisionist wrote: Hindu documents maybe, which are intact.

We know how the Church manipulated ancient documents, how it plagiarized and changed old histories and tales for his own benefit, how it hid their meaning and gave new ones. The list of popes appear suddenly giving long history to the Church... How the fuck could the Vatican lost it's own list of Popes by the way? They didn't, they just created it. The Nordic Eddas, are only known to us as a translation from a Christian monk, he deleted and changed what he wanted, what his orders and ideology wanted to hide/remove.
Even so, the Eddas are more real than the Christ and Christian view of history we are fed.

rerevisionist wrote:There must be incomplete records surviving from various destructions, for example in Russia and German Principalities. And single records - building plans, receipts and payments, contracts, land assignments, treaties surviving from muniment rooms, treasuries, chancelleries, cathedrals, guilds, and what have you.


Sure, there are a lot of things, that contradict official history, and many of them are shown in the books and sites I point to! Maps showing Pompeia in the XVI century, maps showing mythical islands still there above water, maps showing the world before the deluge.
And you know how deep they go, the de-nazification happened not so long ago, and it was brutal, statues were taken down, in 1945, all Nazi-built architecture was destroyed, paintings, even entire forests, nothing was left, people starved so they accept the "correct", "official" view of history, how they were forced to see "lampshades of skin", they had to pass de-nazification exams, more prisions were built to keep those who refused to accept the new view of history. This happened under our eyes, and it wasn't told, no solidarity, no screams in newspapers telling what was happening, nothing, silent cultural genocide and the complete falsification of history... If this happened 66 years... How can we seriously claim to know what happened 600 years ago?

Book burning didn't stop, http://www.amazon.com/American-Adventure-Bookburning-Style-1918/dp/0879260246 In WW1 the Americans burned German, pro-German and pro-neutral books, in WW1! The same in WW2, who knows how many books they burned, everything disappeared, the currency, the bills, the clothing, the statues, the hymns, gone, it never happened, if it did, just a madman. The XX century? Peace and prosperity, under Pax Judaica, everything good except few barbarians...

Your eyes tell you one thing, how they lied in WW2... but you still want to have the quiet peace of knowing it all of history, the good feeling of certainty and happy mind that knows what happened and why, and can relax and sleep, it's easier than confronting a massive building of lies with few friends and few facts, alone in a crazy world ruled by social pressure, where truth doesn't direct science, but democracy does! The majority says it happened and it did!

I do know you are working hard on many fields, but I sense you try too hard to defend something that has no reasons to be true, and all to be false.

rerevisionist wrote:So I'm note sure the situation is quite as desperate at Sorensen's Russian authors make out.

It's worse than that, when you get into what they were hiding, when you ask why they work so hard to control "science", when they are able to work like this and commit such treason http://www.cluesforum.info/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=1037.
Christianity is not needed anymore, it did it's part and judaization continues full strength ahead.

If you recognize there is a war, directed by Jews against us, why would the history field be left alone, untouched?
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Re: Jews & Muslims-Very Similar Violent Parasitical Tribal C

Postby Sorensen731 » 12 Sep 2011 13:15

rerevisionist wrote:So I'm note sure the situation is quite as desperate at Sorensen's Russian authors make out. Possibly they developed their ideas because they were freed up, by Bolshevik destruction and mass-murder, and Jewish indifference to truth, and left unsure of any historical truths.


I don't believe Russians got it worse than the Americans for example, the Russians got it worse _materially_, but _spiritually_ they survive much better than the Americans, Russians didn't believe in democracy, they don't like Globalization or Gay-sex, No gay-parade has ever toured Moscow, they still respect traditions, family, women want to be women, to have kids, to have a strong husband, and let's not forget the obvious geography, the strongest survive, they are not as bourgeois as the Americans, they were raised with few material things. The democracy they got was the 90's decade of Mafia and Oligarchy, of poverty, for them, democracy is forever related with stealing of their industries and natural resources, to poverty. They are not as brainwashing with pacifism as Euro-Americans, they see violence is what rules the world.

And going back to the Americans, in WW2, the Americans too had a five pointed start, just like the Soviets! It is a Jewish symbol, Solomon Star of 5, and more famous David of 6.

They were as brainwashed or more, in fact, the Americans were more brainwashed, the Russians at least were fighting close to their own land, the Americans were manipulated to die in beaches thousands of km away! (And the Australians even more...)

It is said that another political reason Hitler attacked the Soviet Union, was to show all the World how the Jews would run to defend their political experiment in Russia, how the mask would come off, and the International Jew would be exposed, as it was, for all of us to see, no capitalism or communism, but only "Are you going to allow us, the Jews, to steal you or not?".

You as Anglos hate the Red-Flag with the yellow star, I hate the American Star even more, it worked better in America, the people were more naive and needed less killings to accept their new bosses, in Russia at least they fought a long civil war and needed constant concentration camps. The Americans have their guns... at home... doing nothing.. oh yes... they have the fairy tale for kids of the proud revolution that never happened.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionisms in History - & new Chronologies

Postby rerevisionist » 12 Sep 2011 14:50

I know exactly what you mean re Russia, and the USA. Much the same applies in Britain. For example, the 'Housing Minister' Grant Schapps, a Jew, is changing the policy that has applied since 1947 on planning in Britain. Both 'main' parties support unlimited immigration, and EU policy, more or less kept secret, is to import something like 50 million black Africans into Europe! Housing policy will change, if they get their way - and of course virtually all Members of Parliament have to toe the line or they'll get removed. Junk housing will be put anywhere, and the unemployable immigrants will be given rent from the taxpayer and from loans - more than native whites, of course. That's as long as the system lasts. At some point the huge borrowings of paper money must falter and the system will collapse, possibly as in Detroit. No doubt much of the history of English counties and towns and villages will be erased. Jews have wrecked Britain to the best of their abilities which fortunately are limited.

I'm impressed by your passion re historical falsehoods, and still haven't read these books, though I've looked at websites. Just a few points--
[1] It's true the 'birth of Christ' is an artificial starting-point, but that doesn't mean all the related dates are wrong. You have to start somewhere.
[2] I've been to Pompeii and its stone construction, and absence of support for 18th century horse-drawn vehicles, and absence of churches, and absence of things like clocks, and style of art seemed consistent with great age. But even if it was a recent eruption, then reinvented as an antiquity, for tourists maybe, it's only one event in the entire world.
[3] The Chinese language seems of immense antiquity, and I stand by the comment that it has writings and documents which seem unequivocally old.
[4] I take all your points on these topics, including bias and censorship when some group has a monopoly on reading and writing.
[5] I was going to type some material here on (e.g.) the Donation of Constantine, and archaeological investigations, tree-ring dating; and the fact that, if a discovery is definitely datable, it can't have existed before that date. However I really ought to read up your material first. NB I'm very grateful you brought up these issues - I had no idea the contenions existed.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionisms in History - & new Chronologie

Postby Sorensen731 » 12 Sep 2011 15:41

rerevisionist wrote:[1] It's true the 'birth of Christ' is an artificial starting-point, but that doesn't mean all the related dates are wrong. You have to start somewhere.

Sure, start now, and go back safely and slowly, start in 1898 for example, as modern world, close to us, easy to check, safe, not with a 2000 date calculated by some rabbis in the Vatican!
Where do you build a house? In a safe terrain!

History, to be a Science, needs chain of custody, just as in a case in front of a judge, this is the weapon used by the accused, found by policeman Bob, at such time, given to Captain James at Police Station such, that time, and kept there under Guard, with a list of this people allowed to enter, brought today to this trials by this agents. This is certainty. And the moment we see something suspicious we stop, and solve it, whatever it takes. If the police were drunk, there was an earthquake, a fire, then careful!
So, in History, we see a revolution, a civil war, a new dynasty, a war, an invasion? Careful! Stop and check there were no book burnings, no manipulations of archives, compare old history books to the new ones....

Any historical document should always start with; "This information comes from here, book found there such place such time by such monk, if so, 90% of our famous ancient documents would be from the renascence, or copies of translated versions of another translation..."

You should start from recent times to the deep past, starting in the middle of the ancient past is absurd. Imagine a line back in time, from us, to the past, not the other way around.
And importance should be given to changes, comets, floods, volcanic eruptions, epidemics, political changes.
And like "separation and checks to power in politics", so in history, checks like statistics of population, number of kids per family, soldiers in armies, patents about weapons, analysis of ship's capabilities, history is suspect, is had to lead to results, Crimean War, a massive amphibious operation... do the numbers coincide the capabilities of the navies of the time? Always checking what the papers says with the ground.

I guess you get my point.

For example, finding sunk ships, testing, constructing roman triremes for example (Only ships with one layer, maybe two, never three, it was built and sunk, couldn't be moved, too heavy, mathematical impossibility, so it was poetry, exaggerations of "Roman" writers, the Armada Invencible used almost Roman style galleys to attack England, some galleons but lots of Mediterranean galleys, Lepanto battle again is painted with roman style ships... no advancement in 15 centuries?)

rerevisionist wrote:[3] The Chinese language seems of immense antiquity, and I stand by the comment that it has writings and documents which seem unequivocally old.

I have WW2 era books with yellow pages, depends on lots of conditions, but how do we know how old a book is?
We can't wait 600 years in a laboratory to make get the necessary data, we will die of old age, how do we know it's 800 or 200 years, during the Opium Wars, it would seem old anyways. China was isolated too much time for us, I'm not saying what happened there, just that we recently became aware of it, books like Sun Tzu are thousands of years old, but to Europeans are very recent, Tao Te Ching too, there is a big confrontation between Max Muller era, the 1800 when Orient books were translated to Europe and it's official dates, thousands of years, it could have been said "We have no idea when they were written, we consider them invaluable and have translated them" But no, their arrogance or orders forced them to close the subject matter fast and forever, so no investigation would be started, and if it did, it would have been poisoned from the start by assuming the wrong dates and wrong culture offered for it's creation.

rerevisionist wrote:tree-ring dating

it's analyzed in several books, C14 too. In WW2 a plane was lost in the ice, a decade later it had dozens of meters of ice on top. Until that time, it was assumed that the apparent changes in color in the ice were years, but after digging to a WW2 bomber it had to be abandoned, they were just marking of heavy snows, days, weeks, variable epochs, not years.

The best example is an island in Iceland, it was created in a volcanic eruption in the 60's. It appeared there, from the water, and in few months had green leaves, flowers, birds, in years small trees, a whole island with mountains and trees appeared out of nothing in the ocean in decades! Whole continents could have been created like that, in a moment.

rerevisionist wrote:and EU policy, more or less kept secret, is to import something like 50 million black Africans into Europe!

Yes, search the name Kalergi, Coudenhove-Kalergi I think, the Jew who designed the EU with the sole reason of dumbing down the Europeans by race-mixing, the EU gives prizes with his name and medal, in Spanish there is a book called "Adios Europa" by Gerd Honsik. Sad that only few people realize that..
Kalergi plan was one of many designed for post-war Germany, like Morgenthau.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionisms in History - & new Chronologie

Postby rerevisionist » 15 Sep 2011 00:58

Yes, search the name Kalergi, Coudenhove-Kalergi I think, the Jew [NB added 3 July 2014: In fact European-Japanese cross, probably used as a frontman for Jews. See Coudenhove-Kalergi] who designed the EU with the sole reason of dumbing down the Europeans by race-mixing, the EU gives prizes with his name and medal, in Spanish there is a book called "Adios Europa" by Gerd Honsik. Sad that only few people realize that..

Kalergi plan was one of many designed for post-war Germany, like Morgenthau.

Many plans, yes. There were plans for other countries, too.

I wondered if Jews were the only ones. I *think* they probably were. Bertrand Russell, in Power, said a few things about population movements, and exterminations, but barely mentions the first, and considers the second mostly Biblical.

The only race immigration statements he makes are:

From Chapter VIII 'Economic Power' - '... power of the plutocracy in a democratic country. .. unable to introduce Asiatic labour in California or Australia, except in early days in small numbers. .. unable to destroy trade unionism. ... unable .. to avoid heavy taxation of the rich. ...'
. . . .... Trade unions can keep out coloured labour, prevent their own extinction, secure heavy death duties and income tax, and preserve freedom for their own propaganda, ...'
From Chapter XVIII 'The Taming of Power' - '... But for democracy, Western America, Australia, and New Zealand would be inhabited by a semi-servile yellow population governed by a small white aristocracy. ...'

It's only after the war that he mentions Asian immigration, as far as I know.

Not a scientific survey; but it does look to be a Jewish-only policy idea.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionisms in History - & new Chronologie

Postby Sorensen731 » 15 Sep 2011 21:16

Similar to what you point about Egyptians is "American Revisionism" lead by Jaques de Mahieu, who tell the world of the many white bearded mummies and viking presence in South-America.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionisms in History - & new Chronologie

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 30 Sep 2011 14:10

Sorensen731 wrote:Similar to what you point about Egyptians is "American Revisionism" lead by Jaques de Mahieu, who tell the world of the many white bearded mummies and viking presence in South-America.


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Revisionism - Geology Chronologies

Postby bamzam » 18 Oct 2011 07:02

The best example is an island in Iceland, it was created in a volcanic eruption in the 60's. It appeared there, from the water, and in few months had green leaves, flowers, birds, in years small trees, a whole island with mountains and trees appeared out of nothing in the ocean in decades! Whole continents could have been created like that, in a moment.


The author of this video claims millions of years but I think you might find his process interesting.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kL7qDeI05U
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Re: Revisionisms in History - New Chronologies?

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 18 Oct 2011 21:19

Remember when this came out in the news a few years back?

On January 25, 2005, an Associated Press release announced that scientists have now succeeded in petrifying wood in only a few days.


http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/lds ... ified.html
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Re: Revisionisms in History - New Chronologies?

Postby Sorensen731 » 18 Oct 2011 22:10

This one is small, but volcanic eruptions reminds us islands, maybe continents? can appear very fast, in weeks.
It's the underwater volcanic eruption in the Spanish Canarias islands, in the south of El Hierro island.

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And if you add;

C14-Crash, the C14 Deception, Christian Blöss, Hans-Ulrich Niemitz
http://www.paf.li/c14crash.pdf
German, full pdf, 400 pages of scientific analysis of C14 and other dating methods, very rigorous and devastating to all official dates, including ocean crust.

http://www.ilya.it/chrono/pages/c14decepten.htm

Niemitz ist Professor für Technikgeschichte an der Universität Leipzig.
http://www.ilya.it/chrono/pages/autorbiodt.htm#Niemitz

"Christian Blöss ist Diplom-Physiker und lebt in Berlin"
http://www.ilya.it/chrono/pages/bloessdt.htm

You get the possibility our world could be very very young, thousands of years, maybe even hundreds. Not that i matter much, but the certainty of famous dates like 65 millions, 200 millions, 12.000 and many are mortally wounded in their theoretical basis, they have no scientific support, only the inertia of previously wrongly made calculations with inadequate methods.
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