Hyper-Revisionism: Large-Scale World Reinterpretations 2 of 7

by **rerevisionist** » 25 May 2011 18:45

A book I found second-hand years ago, by a Nigerian, Areoye Oyebola, The Black Man's Dilemma, states that towns in Africa were falsely described as flourishing by Europeans, to attract whites out to them. He considered, looking at them in 1976, that they could never have been as described. He surveyed in a melancholy way mud huts in Oyo, Benin, Sokoto, Maiduguri, Ife, Ghana....

All our modern revisionisms apply to conditions where evidence is hard to check: NASA images were solely processed by NASA; nuclear power stations are inaccessible; nuclear weapons even more so; 'Holocaust' sites were behind the Iron Curtain; supposed evidence about Jesus is held by the Catholic Church in secret; bank ownership at the highest levels is secret; EU accounts haven't been audited for more than ten years; statistics on black crime are intentionally not kept, or not made public; 9/11 evidence was removed as quickly as possible; film of Kennedy's murder was tampered with; dumped dangerous weaponry of the US is difficult to verify....

We have to imagine the technical conditions in past ages, when travel was difficult, communications difficult, reading and writing not very common. Of course, opportunities for fraud may well have been less, since there were fewer subsets of people with interests cutting across the interests of other subsets. But fakes - or just travellers' tales and exaggerations - written by adventurers may have been common.

by **Sorensen731** » 27 May 2011 01:05

Related to blacks, another controversial book is Africa vs America, by a Spanish Duchess(Medina de Sidonia), owner of many private archives and original ancient documents. In her research, on her own, she debunks the myth of independent, isolated America before Columbus as false, made up. She also states blacks were original to America, brought not from far away Africa, but from southern America, just as you said before, she too screams that the descriptions of slave towns where they were bought or caught, can not fit in Africa, neither the statistics of distance, costs, and others.

http://www.webislam.com/?idl=203 (Spanish)

Directly with google translate to English
http://translate.google.com/translate?c ... angpair=es

by **FirstClassSkeptic** » 27 May 2011 01:37

From your link:

The research is supported by numerous documentary passages that prove the existence of purely American products in the mainland markets since at least 1200.

There's an old castle in Ireland, built about 1200, or before, that has wood in it which only grows in South America. I can't now remember the wood or the castle.

by **bamzam** » 27 May 2011 03:36

She also states blacks were original to America, brought not from far away Africa, but from southern America, just as you said before, she too screams that the descriptions of slave towns where they were bought or caught, can not fit in Africa, neither the statistics of distance, costs, and others.

I believe This is the main tenant of the Moorish Science Temple of America people,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moorish_Sc ... of_America

The most vocal proponent of this that I'm aware of was Ivan Van Sertima author of "They came before Columbus: The African presence in Ancient America"

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=v ... Tg&cad=rja

another woman I also came across but haven't yet read her books is a woman called "Mama Zogbe" formerly Vivian Hunter Hindrew, currently a Voudon' priestess that wrote The Sibyls: the First Prophetess’ of Mami (Wata):The Theft of African Prophecy by the Catholic Church

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/t ... f/center/5

she gives a 12 page preview of the book,

http://www.lulu.com/product/paperback/t ... /center/5#

by **rerevisionist** » 27 May 2011 13:19

@bamzam - 'main tenant' = main tenet?

A bit off-topic - for those who don't know, lulu.com is a print-on-demand publisher. This idea was promoted years ago, but is now a reality. It mean small publishers or single authors can write their books in pdf format, then advertise online, order fulfilment being by small print-runs, so the author doesn't have to print a largish number of copies himself and store them. They usually use a 'perfect bound' paperback system - i.e. pages stuck to the cover, and both trimmed together - with a range of standardised cover designs. Some print-on-demand people do hardbacks too, usually I think with art paper throughout, so that photos can be inserted anywhere in the book. 'Mama Zogbe' is obviously published as a print-on-demand book. So are Kevin MacDonald and Arthur Kemp, at least in the UK. Harold Hillman (biologist) has his latest and probably last book published as a print-on-demand hardback in (I think) Holland. Amazon has connections with print-on-demand companies. I doubt it's a road to riches, since Amazon must take a hefty discount off published price, and the printing must be more expensive than the large print-run of typical run-of-the-mill books.

I just thought I'd mention this.

by **FirstClassSkeptic** » 27 May 2011 14:05

How did blacks get from Africa to South America, or from South America to Africa, since blacks don't seem to be a seagoing people? And they can't swim.

by **Sorensen731** » 27 May 2011 15:01

rerevisionist, where can I read the works of Harold Hillman? Time ago I heard about Bechamp vs Pasteur, that could be another potential thread.
I love archive.org, thanks to google and others many universities have been scanned, I wish I could find an on-demand printing for them.
Someone recommended me Arnold Leese, not that old, but it narrates a veterinarian on night duty in London, before cars. It's a shame we get so disconnected from our own past, as if nothing matters or has history.

Added by mod: here's our Biology Revisionism link:-- Harold Hillman

by **FirstClassSkeptic** » 29 May 2011 02:43

rerevisionist wrote:Since this entire forum is supposed to be looking at the nuclear hoax, are there any comparable historical examples? Do you have views on opinion-bending concerning heavy cavalry, for example, or longbows, gunpowder, or 'Greek Fire'?

I just was reading something today about dogs that the Russians trained in WWII to run under a tank. They trained the dogs by putting food under a tank, and the dog learned to look under a tank for food. They then would withhold food a day or so, put explosives on the dog, and the dog became a suicide bomber. A tank had less armor underneath, so was more vulnerable there. The Russians declared it a great success, and said three hundred, or so, German tanks were destroyed.

Long after the war, secret documents were released. It turns out, the suicide dog bombers weren't so great.

First off, they trained them with stationary tanks, and when the dogs got into battle with moving tanks, they panicked, ran back, and blew up their handlers. Then they trained the dogs with moving tanks, but it didn't work well because the dogs preferred the Russian tanks to the German ones. There was a difference in smell because the German tanks used a different fuel then the Russian tanks. So the dogs blew up more Russians than Germans.

by **rerevisionist** » 29 May 2011 02:52

the suicide dog bombers weren't so great.
First off, they trained them with stationary tanks, and when the dogs got into battle with moving tanks, they panicked, ran back, and blew up their handlers. Then they trained the dogs with moving tanks, but it didn't work well because the dogs preferred the Russian tanks to the German ones. There was a difference in smell because the German tanks used a different fuel then the Russian tanks. So the dogs blew up more Russians than Germans.

That has the ring of truth about it. I wonder if followers of Pavlov (of the dog research) were purged by Stalin...

by **Sorensen731** » 07 Aug 2011 19:33

I want to add two links for those interested;

Christoph Pfister books in pdf, in German, and his site with google translate. Very good, put Art, Architecture in it's place and shortens chronology to 4 centuries of humanity.

His analysis of the Vesuvius is enough to destroy all ancient "history" as the city is clearly typical 17 century city, after that discovery, the cat is out of the box for good, forever.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=dillum.ch/html/barock_kunst_chronologie_09.htm

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&u=dillum.ch/html/dillum_buecher_von_christoph_pfister.htm

Lot of links of Russians, including Napoleonic Wars, history of Weapons, munitions, metals, very good collection.

http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl ... um/8-354-1

by **rerevisionist** » 09 Sep 2011 16:32

Let's put the facts straight. Ruins are discovered in 1881... Why? Why where they lost?

The most probable reason is a massive terrible cataclysm, you don't loose a city, you don't waste a perfectly planned city, which can be used to save time and rebuild houses easily and cheap. You don't do that, the neighbors would use it, occupy it, or travelers, it won't go unnoticed for too long.

@Sorensen731--
Can you summarise what the Russian author is claiming? I find it hard to follow his reasoning, and you know his work much better. What's he saying?

by **Sorensen731** » 09 Sep 2011 17:24

rerevisionist wrote:
Let's put the facts straight. Ruins are discovered in 1881... Why? Why where they lost?

The most probable reason is a massive terrible cataclysm, you don't loose a city, you don't waste a perfectly planned city, which can be used to save time and rebuild houses easily and cheap. You don't do that, the neighbors would use it, occupy it, or travelers, it won't go unnoticed for too long.
@Sorensen731--
Can you summarise what the Russian author is claiming? I find it hard to follow his reasoning, and you know his work much better. What's he saying?

I do recommend reading it, but I will try a fast summary of the recent articles...

Sure, he has been investigating using statistics and databases, of events and words. Google ngram is an application that allows you to search when did a word appear.

So, using the data, there are lots of contradictions, for example;

America was discovered in such data... but the benefits of the discoveries, the food, the plants, the medicines... take three centuries to appear!

The dates of discoveries, specially 1500, 1600 are almost empty... it's as if in this centuries no one sailed, no new islands were discovered, no plants, no botanical, no scientific expeditions... all happened in 1700 or 1800.... Why? The logical conclusion is because the real "discovery" of America was in XVIII. Why wait three centuries to give a name to the food of the new acquired lands? Why wait centuries to try to cultivate it in Europe? The facts, contradict the paper.

The events appear in statistically impossible coincidental dates... always repeating the same pattern.. which is astronomical. It is impossible that famous events wait to happen such magic number of years, always the same...

The words used in French documents, like Government, War, Peace, Minister disappeared for decades, and then are used again! It is as if they stop speaking and recording for half a century, and then continue as if nothing happened... most probably the events of the time were being sent back in time, to previous centuries.

Jesuit missions were in the 1500 in Mexico... but in 1700 in America... a country "updated" the history and the other didn't.

Spanish took America in 1492... but all Europe waited 130 years... without doing nothing?!

And when they went... they still took another century to build forts in north America... the dating of construction of forts starts mostly in 1700...

French ships were pagan for centuries, all names based on Greek mythology... how weird.. never a Christian name, until late XVIII

It's hard to imagine what was really going on, what really happened, but the dates given to us are statistically impossible and contradict each other, it makes no sense. It has been made much much longer, and I guess the events they wanted to hide were sent to distant past and the world they wanted to implement was shown to have already be the norm for quite some time, not something new based on recent conquest or changes or cataclysms. I am completely certain Christianity is not more than three centuries old, maybe less.

The Vesuvius eruption allegedly of 79 AD... had modern glass achieved only in the XVII ... it had modern metallurgy, modern medical devices, and copies of Italian paintings, it still appeared as a city in some maps. So, those who talked about Vesuvius, like old Romans, lived after 1688, in the XVIII century. It is a fact, a hard emotional disturbing fact but several books have already posted the images, the findings of the excavations of the "79.AD" Vesuvius, spoken in all our ancient books, it forces us to move ancient authors to XVIII century. It should.

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