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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisioni

Postby RealityWall » 10 Sep 2011 20:37

FirstClassSkeptic wrote:I used to believe the six million figure. Then I bought this old 1933 almanac, years ago, and it had the population of Europe, and how many jews in each nation. I added them up. It doesn't come near to six million. unless you got all the way to the Ural Mountains.

There was only 15 million jews in the world then.

There's an upset now about the train companies in France that hauled jews to the Camps. The figure is like 60,000 jews. Probably a similar figure for the other European nations.


FirstClassSkeptic, can you be more specific on the publisher of the Almanac? Also, of the 15 million Jews in the world, over 9 million are typically regarded to have lived in Europe during that time. 6 million was easily achievable then, especially as Nazi occupied territory reached far into Soviet lands.

And not many French Jews were deported, as much of the effort by collaborator-police was to deport non-French Jews living within the country. In total some 75,000 Jews on French territory were deported (about half of the total Jews in the country). Plus 100,000 Jews from the Netherlands and 35,000 from Belgium. Western Europe did not have large Jewish populations as those of Central and Eastern Europe.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisioni

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 10 Sep 2011 20:51

The plaque at Auschwitz used to say 4.5 million jews died there. They took the plaque down, and now say, at most, a half million people died there, of all ethnicities. So right there, they have chunked four million out of the six. That leaves two million. And that figure is too high.

There were seven to eight million Whites starved to death in camps in the USA during the 1930's. Why no mention of that? And Germans were starved to death after the war was over in Eisenhower's camps. Their lives don't matter? They really did die. Not a fantasy like the jews.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisioni

Postby RealityWall » 11 Sep 2011 14:28

FirstClassSkeptic wrote:The plaque at Auschwitz used to say 4.5 million jews died there. They took the plaque down, and now say, at most, a half million people died there, of all ethnicities. So right there, they have chunked four million out of the six. That leaves two million. And that figure is too high.

There were seven to eight million Whites starved to death in camps in the USA during the 1930's. Why no mention of that? And Germans were starved to death after the war was over in Eisenhower's camps. Their lives don't matter? They really did die. Not a fantasy like the jews.


1) The "4 million" ascribed by the Soviets to Auschwitz was never included in more scholarly estimates of the total Jewish death count. For instance the works of Gerald Reitlinger and Raul Hilberg, two of the first major works to study what became known as the Holocaust, only mention 1+ million for the camp. Former Auschwitz Kommandant Rudolf Hoess wrote in his memoirs in 1946 that just over a million had perished in the camp (not four million).

So saying that a reduction of the "4 million" for Auschwitz should lead to a reduction in the overrall death count is factually incorrect, as such a high figure was never taken into account to begin with! Indeed, the number was based on those dead from death camps (of which Auschwitz-Birkenau was one), labor camps, concentration camps, ghettos, and open-air shootings. The death camps count some 2.5 million.

2) What Whites were starved in camps in the US during the 1930s? What were these camps? What was their function? How did they obtain their inmates?
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 14 Sep 2011 01:26

1) Anyone who tries to do a scholarly account of the Holocaust gets jailed.

2) Poor Whites.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby rerevisionist » 14 Sep 2011 17:05

I don't know if you've checked out the 'Khazar' information, FirstClassSkeptic. The reason lots of Jews were in Poland/ Russia/ similar areas is because the huge majority were the result of an official 'conversion' or imposition on the Khazar tribes. They have no connection whatever with genuine Jews, if indeed any were left - the influential traditional Jews were a tiny priestly caste, only a small proportion of such Jews as existed.

Not surprisingly, the science fraud artists of present-day 'Jews' are doing their best to twist DNA results.

I wonder if there's some biological link explaining a tendency to continually tell lies, which Jews show so persistently. Just as a biological connection between feeling annoyed and feeling an impulse to do things, could result in a hair-trigger temper; possibly there is some mental connection between the emotion of receiving an opinion, and reacting to it. Khazars seem to have been bred with this feeling. If you read RealityWall's posts, it's clear that he/she thinks any amount of deceit, lies, changing the subject, evasion, insults are justified. In fact, it seems to be an instinct - there's not even a question of making a value judgement, any more than someone injected with adrenalin makes a conscious decision to feel hyped up.

There's a story that Krishnamurti was brought up, as a deliberate experiment: he was told ever since birth that he was a God (or had a special message, or something) and spent the rest of his life trying to persuade other people. If I believed in God, I could believe He might have amused himself by trying an experiment - instructing a bunch of people that they were all gods, and also tinkering with their biology to make them liars. I wonder if He'd regard his experiment as a success?

Incidentally the Khazar DNA experiments I've seen have been attributed to second-rate experimenters and institutions. I think this is probably deliberate. Maybe in future they'd decide Khazakstan is the place to be. In that case, they will have to find mistakes in their previous DNA work. Hence the use of clearly inferior research.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby rerevisionist » 14 Sep 2011 20:45

Footnote on Nero
This was 'mincuo' posting two pages back on Nero being misrepresented, rather like Hitler--
Nero as a popular hero

I just noticed (on a DVD of Gladiator - admittedly not an unimpeachable source) that the Flavian Amphitheatre, or Colosseum, was built on the site of a lake of Nero's. Trajan, of the same post-Nero dynasty, was I believe responsible for a genocidal campaign against Dacia, somewhere like Romania. Very possibly the structure combined expenditure and kickbacks and makework, with erasing Nero's memory plus encouraging the spectators in murderous violence against official enemies. A bit like Hollywood - this months's special, killing Germans! If the parallel holds, no doubt the odds were skewed in favour of the home fighters; and no doubt the planners agreed that the people only need two things, bread and circuses, and not silly things like rent money and politics.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby RealityWall » 16 Sep 2011 00:42

rerevisionist wrote:I wonder if there's some biological link explaining a tendency to continually tell lies, which Jews show so persistently. Just as a biological connection between feeling annoyed and feeling an impulse to do things, could result in a hair-trigger temper; possibly there is some mental connection between the emotion of receiving an opinion, and reacting to it. Khazars seem to have been bred with this feeling.


Let me know if you find that singular Jewish biological trait anytime soon. As if no other people lie...:roll:

rerevisionist wrote:If you read RealityWall's posts, it's clear that he/she thinks any amount of deceit, lies, changing the subject, evasion, insults are justified. In fact, it seems to be an instinct - there's not even a question of making a value judgement, any more than someone injected with adrenalin makes a conscious decision to feel hyped up.


:?:

Shouldn't you actually try to demonstrate deceit, lies, dodging, and insults in my posts before so declaring them? Most rational people would do so, but that may not be the case here with you. Indeed my attempts to have a more serious discussion with you (as opposed to your baseless quips here and there) went unanswered.

Anyway, more evidence of the reality of exterminations, this time of the gas vans...

II D 3 a (9) NI. 214/42 G.RS. Berlin, 5 June 1942
Only copy.
Top Secret!

I. Note:

Conc.: Technical adjustments to special vans at present in
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service and to those that are in production.

Since December 1941, ninety-seven thousand have been processed, using three vans, without any defects showing up in the vehicles. The explosion that we know took place at Kulmhof is to be considered an isolated case. The cause can be attributed to improper operation. In order to avoid such incidents, special instructions have been addressed to the services concerned. Safety has been increased considerably as a result of these instructions.

Previous experience has shown that the following adjustments would be useful:

1.) In order to facilitate the rapid distribution of CO, as well as to avoid a buildup of pressure, two slots, ten by one centimeters, will be bored at the top of the rear wall. The excess pressure would be controlled by an easily adjustable hinged metal valve on the outside of the vents.

2.) The normal capacity of the vans is nine to ten per square meter [ = 10.8 sq. ft.]. The capacity of the larger special Saurer vans is
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not so great. The problem is not one of overloading but of off-road maneuverability on all terrains, which is severely diminished in this van. It would appear that a reduction in the cargo area is necessary. This can be achieved by shortening the compartment by about one meter. The problem cannot be solved by merely reducing the number of subjects treated, as has been done so far. For in this case a longer running time is required, as the empty space also needs to be filled with CO. On the contrary, were the cargo area smaller, but fully occupied, the operation would take considerably less time, because there would be no empty space.

3.) The pipe that connects the exhaust to the van tends to rust, because it is eaten away from the inside by liquids that flow into it. To avoid this the nozzle should be so arranged as to point downward. The liquids will thus be prevented from flowing into [the pipe].
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4.) To facilitate the cleaning of the vehicle, an opening will be made in the floor to allow for drainage. It will be closed by a watertight cover about twenty to thirty centimeters in diameter, fitted with an elbow siphon that will allow for the drainage of thin liquids. The upper part of the elbow pipe will be fitted with a sieve to avoid obstruction. Thicker dirt can be removed through the large drainage hole when the vehicle is cleaned. The floor of the vehicle can be tipped slightly. In this way all the liquids can be made to flow toward the center and be prevented from entering the pipes.

5.) The observation windows that have been installed up to now could be eliminated, as they are hardly ever used. Considerable time will be saved in the production of the new vans by avoiding the difficult fitting of the window and its airtight lock.


6.) Greater protection is needed for the lighting system. The grille should cover the lamps high enough up to make it impossible to break the bulb. It seems that these lamps are hardly ever turned on, so the users have suggested that they could be done away with. Experience shows, however, that when the back door is closed and it gets dark inside, the load
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pushes hard against the door. The reason for this is that when it becomes dark inside the load rushes toward what little light remains. This hampers the locking of the door. It has also been noticed that the noise provoked by the locking of the door is linked to the fear aroused by the darkness. It is therefore expedient to keep the lights on before the operation and during the first few minutes of its duration. Lighting is also useful for night work and for the cleaning of the interior of the van.

7.) To facilitate the rapid unloading of the vehicles, a removable grid is to be placed on the floor. It will slide on rollers on a U-shaped rail. It will be removed and put in position by means of a small winch placed under the vehicle. The firm charged with the alterations has stated that it is not able to continue for the moment, due to a lack of staff and materials. Another firm will have to be found.

The technical changes planned for the vehicles already in operation will be carried out when and as major repairs to these vehicles prove necessary. The alterations in the ten Saurer vehicles already ordered will be carried out as far as possible. The manufacturer made it clear in a meeting that structural alterations, with the exception of minor ones, cannot be carried out for the moment. An attempt must therefore be made to find another firm that can carry out, on at least
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one of these ten vehicles, the alterations and adjustments that experience has proved to be necessary. I suggest that the firm in Hohenmauth be charged with the execution.

Due to present circumstances, we shall have to expect a later date of completion for this vehicle. It will then not only be kept available as a model but also be used as a reserve vehicle. Once it has been tested, the other vans will be withdrawn from service and will undergo the same alterations.

II. To Gruppenleiter II D
SS-Obersturmbannführer Rauff
for examination and decision.


by order of
Just
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http://holocaust-history.org/19420605-r ... zialwagen/
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby RealityWall » 20 Sep 2011 02:42

Hmmm silence from rerevisionist, eh? Interesting.

Himmler's handwritten (as opposed to typed, which Sorensen immediately rejects for laughable reasons) 18.12.1941 note of a conversation with Hitler.


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Führerhauptquartier
Wolfsschanze 18.xii.41 16h Führer

Judenfrage / als Partisanen
auszurotten


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Neuorganisation d. Waffen SS
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Leibstandarte
Gebirgsdiv.



So the Judenfrage is to be exterminated like partisans. No, Hitler wouldn't kill the Jews... :roll:
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 30 Sep 2011 14:17

In case you haven't noticed, REalitywall, this is a forum for revisionists. All of the 'official' stories and documents and evidence are suspect. That's the seed of revisionism: The revisionists don't believe or trust the official story.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby rerevisionist » 01 Oct 2011 14:38

It's quite funny to see the liars at work - as though this chap has investigated Himmler's writings, and just happens to find the same example as was dredged up at Irving's libel case. Anyway the importance is the lessons to be drawn from the ridiculous imposture - one of them being the way large numbers of people can be made to support fakery, usually for selfish reasons. Quite a complicated set of balance-sheets to be drawn up. Plus one master summary.
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby RealityWall » 08 Oct 2011 00:01

FirstClassSkeptic wrote:In case you haven't noticed, REalitywall, this is a forum for revisionists. All of the 'official' stories and documents and evidence are suspect. That's the seed of revisionism: The revisionists don't believe or trust the official story.


While I appreciate that this may be your perspective, that documents and other evidence are suspect, you have thus far not provided any reasoning or evidence to support such a position. How and where can we substantiate beliefs that thousands of testimonies of perpetrators, of witnesses, of bystanders, and many hundreds of documents referencing killing (either in obvious or less obvious ways), as well as the physical evidence which supports such evidence within the camps be a automatically discarded prima facie?
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Re: Fundamental Revisionism in History - Holocaust Revisionism

Postby rerevisionist » 08 Oct 2011 02:21

[1] RealityWall, you may think we have a united front here. That's not really the case. We collected a number of people who commented cogently on nuclear matters, and I was personally quite surprised to find they all agreed on many other issues such as 9/11, AIDS, Jews in the USA, fluoridation, and even the rather obscure biologist Harold Hillman.

[2] You keep repeating that there is reliable evidence of mass killings - documentary, eye-witness, and physical. This is simply not the case. Its only because of censorship that the stories could even be remotely seen as credible.
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