The problem is communication, the way to communicate. Revisionists assume that people already knows a lot of thing in the right way. They think that they have only to explain or correct some facts, or some evidences, and "voilà". But it doesn't work very well. Simply the alphabet, the syntax, the vocabulary, the grammar, the language is different. People got a heavy indoctrination. All the paradigms, not only Shoah, but everything surrounding is distorted. Let me say that is not new, and not only for Shoah.
The Emperor Nero was the very ancient Hitler, the ancient Satan. (Very much of the Hitler demonization was perfectly copied from the antique Nero demonization propaganda. Fire, flames, extermination, madman, a bit artist, cruel, paranoic, etc...). You know that Nero burned Rome, he murdered ten of thousands of Christians, burned them alive, crucificied them, or teared them to pieces by the lions in the Circus, while he was playing the lyra and singing. All that is a bunch of lies, but the books afterwards were written by historians who were just Christians or the Aristocratic class, strongly enemy of Nero. Among others, Nero made expecially 2 great reforms. One was a monetary reform, the other was a fiscal reform. Both were for the people and against the aristocratic class. Expecially the latter, because Nero took them a great part of their privilege to collect taxes, give permits, concessions, contracts and so on. (Only to understand the importance two small examples: one commercial ship contained at that time up to 10.000 tons of say of wine, grain, oil... The permit to import and deal given by the Aristocratic bureaucracy to a trader gave them some 25% of the earnings. Another example. Roman people didn't live in the beautiful houses (domus) you have read in the school books. Only 1400 or 1500 owners with their families and slaves lived there. Roman citizens were 1,200,000-1,600,000 and they lived (paying a rent, not as owners) in the "insulae" i.e. six, eight, and often ten-storey-houses, or even 14 storey-houses, like the "Insula felicles". There was an immense speculation at that time. You can understand the value of the building permits given by the Aristocratics). Even when there was the famous fire in Rome, Nero taxed them and made a requisition of 1/5 of their grain to help the population, the fixed strict rules for the new buildings and so on. You can understand how many enemies he had. After his death (64 A.D.) the demonization began. Every book speaking even a bit objectively was removed. But notwithstanding the heavy propaganda the Romans continued to preserve some memory. For more than 1000 years every 9 June, the day of the death of Nero, a great mass of people brought flowers on the (presumed) Nero mausoleum, ending only when the Pope Pasquale ordered in 1100 A.D. to destroy the grave and to build a chapel. (It subsequently become a famous Church in Rome: "Santa Maria del Popolo"). Every text-book, every newspaper, and then every film or every TV "historic" documentary, and everything in culture was distorted. And not because the truth was unknown. The truth was known.
For the Shoah the story is even worse, because the story is linked with the unconscious, because the media are quite heavier, because the films, the fiction, the survivors' stories are so recent, and because people was scientifically stripped of the capacity of reasoning and trained to images and emotions. So, to conclude, it is not simply a matter of illustrating some facts, it is a matter of values inculcated through emotions and watchwords, and moreover of a different grammar between you and your listener. Your grammar is logic, his grammar is emotions and faith. If you don't try to throw a bridge and approach his grammar, I think you are wasting your time. Sorry for my usual bad English.
Beginning with Lublin, the Jews in the General Government are now being evacuated eastward. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely. Not much will remain of the Jews. On the whole it can be said that about 60 per cent of them will have to be liquidated whereas only about 40 per cent can be used for forced labor.
The former Gauleiter of Vienna, who is to carry this measure through, is doing it with considerable circumspection and according to a method that does not attract too much attention. A judgment is being visited upon the Jews that, while barbaric, is fully deserved by them. The prophesy which the Fuehrer made about them for having brought on a new world war is beginning to come true in a most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental in these matters. If we did not fight the Jews, they would destroy us. It's a life-and-death struggle between the Aryan race and the Jewish bacillus. No other government and no other regime would have the strength for such a global solution of this question. Here, too, the Fuehrer is the undismayed champion of a radical solution necessitated by conditions and therefore inexorable. Fortunately a whole series of possibilities presents itself for us in wartime that would be denied us in peacetime. We shall have to profit by this.
The ghettoes that will be emptied in the cities of the General Government now will be refilled with Jews thrown out of the Reich. This process is to be repeated from time to time. There is nothing funny in it for the Jews, and the fact that Jewry's representatives in England and America are today organizing and sponsoring the war against Germany must be paid for dearly by its representatives in Europe - and that's only right.
Sorensen731 wrote:Please, do your homework, even Wikipedia knows this entries are false.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goebbels_D ... thenticity
A major reason for the lack of success in persuading people that conventional Holocaust accounts are fraudulent or exaggerated is that -- as revisionists acknowledge – Jews in Europe were, in fact, singled out during the war years for especially severe treatment.
This was confirmed, for example, by German propaganda minister Joseph Goebbels in these confidential entries in his wartime diary:5
Feb. 14, 1942: “The Führer [Hitler] once again expresses his resolve ruthlessly to clear the Jews out of Europe. There must be no squeamish sentimentalism about it. The Jews have deserved the catastrophe that they are now experiencing. Their destruction will go hand in hand with the destruction of our enemies. We must hasten this process with cold ruthlessness.”
March 27, 1942: “The Jews are now being deported to the East from the Generalgouvernement [Poland], starting around Lublin. The procedure is a pretty barbaric one and not to be described here more definitely, and there’s not much left of the Jews. By and large, one can say that 60 percent of them will have to be liquidated, while only 40 percent can be put to work. The former Gauleiter of Vienna, who is carrying out the operation, is proceeding quite judiciously, using a method that is not all too conspicuous. The Jews are facing a judgment which, while barbaric, they fully deserve. The prophecy the Führer made about them for having brought on a new world war is beginning to come true in the most terrible manner. One must not be sentimental in these matters.”
April 29, 1942: “Short shrift is being made of the Jews in all eastern occupied territories. Tens of thousands of them are being wiped out.”
No informed person disputes that Europe’s Jews did, in fact, suffer a great catastrophe during the Second World War. Millions were forced from their homes and deported to brutal internment in crowded ghettos and camps. Jewish communities across Central and Eastern Europe, large and small, were wiped out. Millions lost their lives. When the war ended in 1945, most of the Jews of Germany, Poland, the Netherlands and others countries were gone.
Given all this, it should not be surprising that even well-founded revisionist arguments are often dismissed as heartless quibbling.
RealityWall wrote:I have done plenty of homework.
rerevisionist wrote:Near the end of your post, I see you say, as a standalone sentence, 'Millions lost their lives.' Could you please confirm you are talking only about 'Jews'?
Sorensen731 wrote:RealityWall wrote:I have done plenty of homework.
No, you haven't. I already told you before. This document is fake. Max Weber said so UNDER OATH.
Goebbels diary was HAND-WRITTEN, until 1941, this part in dispute is written by TYPEWRITER.
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