rerevisionist wrote:What I'd like to see is actual = evidence of the things being dismantled, or the boiler area being thoroughly = checked; and something tells me this won't be = forthcoming.

I have been inside of the large enclosures they put on top of a sub to = take the fuel assemblies out. After the fuel is out a cap is welded on the = reactor and it is sealed forever. It goes to Hanford and sits in a pit forever as far = as I know. I was told that it will take at least 600 years for the hull = section to rust through. Not long enough if you ask me. You can see the pit with = the reactor compartments on google maps.

The best way to see this = stuff for yourself is to get a job at the shipyard. It is not hard to get as long = as you are a US citizen.

Why do you say that? I am posting what I see and = hear about. Do you need something else?

Lark wrote:Why do you say that? I am posting what I = see and hear about. Do you need something = else?

OK....lets have a look at two of your posts....my bold...I have adjusted your post = times to Washington time zone

06 Nov 2011 15:21 (10:21am Washington Time....you are supposed = to be at work!)

Lark wrote:I am a painter at the Puget shipyard in Washington. There are submarines there that are supposed to be nuclear = powered, but they look more like they are electric powered. They have = huge electric cables running through the hull and across the inside to = large machines.

A few times I have asked one of the guys walking = around with radiation meters how much radiation I am getting, but they all say the = same thing, "not much". They say I get more from the environment than the = sub. There are lots of areas roped off that I am not allowed in to because = I am not qualified to enter them. I am supposed to qualify to wear a radiation = dose meter, but I am not sure that I want to since I can not get a straight = answer from them. Anyone else ever seee these = ships?"

08 Nov 2011 17:14 (12:14 Washington = Time....you are supposed to be at work!)

Lark wrote:I had to qualify as a radiation worker = and went into my first reactor compartment today. It was cramped and hot. Using = a resperator in a room that is 90 degrees sucks. I watched a guy do = radiation surveys for a little bit. A few times his meter went nuts when he put = it near some equipment. When I asked him about it, I was warned to keep out of = the area unless I was briefed and wore = more dosimeters.

Your comment about being = kept out of the area for "not wearing enough dosimeters" is bull$hit. You are = making it up as you go along.

I am retired now but the whole of my working = life was spent designing buildings and supervising building contracts. Not once = in 45 years have I encountered a "painter" (or any other tradesman for that = matter) with a computer uploading posts onto an internet discussion forum at = 10:15 in the morning. Did you do it on the top of a ladder when your supervisor = wasn't looking?
Do you expect me to believe the US Military's security is so = lax they allow someone like you to walk round a nuclear submarine/aircraft = carrier carrying a computer posting what you see on an internet = forum.

I am at work right now in the office waiting for my = supervisor to show up to tell us about our work today. We are allowed to = use office computers to surf the internet during lunch and other authorized = breaks. Sometimes I am able to get online when nothing is happening like right = now. I do not walk around the shipyard with a computer.

Nothing I am = talking about here is a secret. In a earlier post I did refuse to say how much = radiation I was measuring, so I know I can not talk about everything.

Nearly = everything is covered with paint on a ship, it helps protect it and makes it last = longer. Someone has to do it and that is us painters. Even the coolant pipes are = covered with lagging which is painted to protect it. If a part of the reactor = plant that has high radiation levels needs painting, then we have to wear more than = one dosimeter to ensure we get an accurate reading. I have even seen guys = wearing finger ring dosimeters for really hot work too. How did they do it when = you were working?

Exorcist wrote:Your comment about being kept out of = the area for "not wearing enough dosimeters" is bull$hit. You are making it up = as you go along.

Do you expect me to believe the US Military's = security is so lax they allow someone like you to walk round a nuclear = submarine/aircraft carrier carrying a computer posting what you see on an internet forum.

How is access to high radiation areas controlled in the UK? I have heard that the Brits control their areas differently than the Americans. I have been told that the US navy = controls theirs very carefully because the sailors work and live on the ships for = long periods of time. I was told that it is also due to the navy wanting to = keep control of their reactors and not allowing civilians controlling them.

Security is not so lame here. In the controlled industrial = area everyone wears a badge and has access to different areas based on the = color. My badge allows me into most areas including the nuclear ones. I can not = get into some places due to my confidential clearence or because I do not have a = need to know. All military emplyees get a common access card that has a chip in = it. I use the CAC to log into the computer network or as a regular ID card = excpet it does not get me into bars as it does not have my birthdate printed on = it. Everything I do on a shipyard computer = goes through a firewall so they can see if I am doing anything that is prohibited. So = no surfing porn or checking my yahoo e-mail acount. There is a long site of = websites that are blocked too. The NMCI intranet is kind of cool. I can = access thousands of people in the address book and send e-mail to them or even = print something out in Japan or Hawaii if I need to.

Lark...I don't believe you but if others want to = waste their time responding to your posts that's their decision....Bye.

So are you saying that you worked in the UK some = time in the past? If that is so, why would you be surprised to see that things are = different in the USA right now compared to the UK in the past? You are not = claiming to have any experience in nuclear power so why are you telling me that what = I say about working in a high radiation area is BS? Why run away from an = argument? I am trying to learn and help others learn.

Since submarines use electrolysis of sea water to = generate oxygen for the crew what happens to the hydrogen. Quite possibly the = turbines on-board subs are not steam turbines, but gas turbines. Might not be = plausible though it would depend upon how much hydrogen is actually generated from = the process.

Welcome, BNSF9647. May I call you BNSF? (Old joke). = Because water is H2O there will be twice the volume of hydrogen generated as = oxygen, though I'd guess it might just go to waste as it's difficult to store, = liquefy etc.

The hydrogen from the oxygen generator is sent = overboard. There is a little pipe that goes to a diffuser in the hull. The amount = of energy used to separate the oxygen and hydrogen is the same as the energy that = you can get from burning it. Using electricity to make hydrogen to then burn it = to make power is a waste.

There are large pipes that go from the steam = generators to the turbines. They run on steam.

Here is an article on making electricity directly = from fission. https://= postbiota.org/pipermail/tt/2009-April/004798.html Now that would be a nice thing to have. It would put lots of steam plant = operators out of work I think.