[rerevisionist]

New Contributors - Posts We're Looking For On This Forum - How You May Be Able To Help

We're looking for new material on nuclear weapons, and related topics. We don't want the sort of material on obscurantist websites of the James Randi type; there are a few amusing examples of trolls and spammers and flooders in this subforum. Another type of website is the crypto-Jewish type, usually easy enough to spot, as they veer all the time into lies about Israel and Jews - there's an anti-BBC site of this type. Some forums have too many posts to monitor effectively - David Icke's, for example. Some forums seem unable to monitor properly, and allow the equivalent of hecklers to ruin their sites. If you have a favorite forum that discusses serious issues, please post links to this site.

'New Material' might include - this is not a complete list---
*** 'Exit strategy' material. For example, Google 'nuclear myths' to find groups involved in 'revisionism' in the fake sense - summaries of their claims as they try to wriggle contrasted with earlier claims should be revealing
*** Genuine information on health effects
*** Any light on supposed nuclear weapons, for example reliable information from witnesses, or, better, people involved in carrying out the tests
*** Supposed nuclear test sites: what is there now?
*** Information on the financing and construction and testing of any part of the supposed nuclear weapons process
*** Details of 1945 - haw Stalin was deterred from invading Japan, for example
*** The part played by, in particular, Hungarian Jews in the west
*** Information on nuclear power, of the sort which helps establish whether or not it's a fraud
*** Information on anything supposedly powered by nuclear reactions - ships, submarines, futuristic planned vehicles
*** Accurate information on the difficulties of detecting 'radiation'
*** Comments on film, TV, and media generally - Subliminal stuff? Information? Deception?
*** Space science - everyone now knows NASA is a fraud. What about Space Shuttle, Hubble etc?
*** Science and physics: sound information on e.g. Euro particle accelerators would be appreciated
*** Biographical material on e.g. Edward Teller, who was unquestionably involved in the Ivy Mike fraud. How much of his life's work was fraudulent?
*** Material on such people as Herman Kahn, who wrote On Thermonuclear War - in view of the gravity of the issues, does his book show signs that he was insincere, laughing at his readers?
*** Material on Baruch, the Baruch proposals, the Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists
*** Material on supposed disarmers, for example Jews in Britain who concealed what they believed to be Israel's nuclear weapons
*** Trade with the Third World - if we're right there has been a huge trade in phoney technology with a caste of phoney technocrats in India, China, Pakistan etc
*** Information on the way silence has been and is being enforced, by economic means and violence
*** Information on the way official records (for example, the Public Record Office at Kew) have been dealt with
*** Information on science education, particularly physics; and military and historical education - if there is any
*** Other scientific frauds - 9/11, AIDS, NASA, and so on
*** European frauds sheltered by the EU
*** The effect on other wars - for example, is it true that the Vietnam War was mainly a method for Jews to make money, and had no military purpose?
*** What was the net effect of nuclear deception? Was there a good side? What were the costs?
*** New interpretations of the 'Cold War' and 'Star Wars' and nuclear issues as an excuse for war, and also the psychology of fear
*** New interpretations - Technology? Weaponry? Secret oil supplies? Debt? Electronic money, paper money, gold...?

It's unrealistic to ask for seriously detailed evidence, except from documentary/original source researchers, or where publication has passed unnoticed, or the significance wasn't appreciated at the time - this includes DVDs of supposed nuclear tests, old news sources, old scientific papers published online, letters and memoirs, technical material on mining, refining, electricity generation etc. In the absence of firm evidence, it's necessary to speculate. But we like to be evidence-based!

[rodin]

Well there a couple of unresolved issues for me. First off Major Jordan's diaries. During lend lease 'nuclear bomb making materials' were secretly shipped to the Soviet Union. I have to think this compares with Bill Cooper being fed disinfo about 'aliens' @ Area 51. Cooper woke up and was then assassinated. Jordan did not, and lived to a ripe old age.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCiylpzR60U

Starfish prime

The flash created by the explosion as seen through heavy cloud cover from Honolulu 1,445 km away

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starfish_Prime

What was Starfish Prime?

[rerevisionist]

Hi Rodin -
[1] We'd done our best to arranged the site in logical sequence, with separate sections on e.g. making the whole thing up - Manhattan project to Vanunu; Hiroshima and Nagasaki of course; a new embryonic thread re-examining supposed test sites; the video/photo evidence; etc. It's best to collect similar material together - if you site search, there will almost certainly be similar stuff there.

[2] The Russian/Jewish connection--
Making Up the H-Bomb H-bomb-myth-and-its-purpose.html our best guess is that it was invented to discourage people from suggesting Stalin should be invaded and democratised.
Revisionism of Rosenbergs, Atom Spies & McCarthyism mccarthyism-atom-spies-rosenberg-sobell.html comments on the entire Jewish-Russian link and fake spies - exactly what you're implying re nuclear bomb material supposedly moved to the USSR.

[3] 'Starfish-Prime' was just another supposed test - they liked to make these names up; I don't think anyone's found any basis for the names. It's amusing it was done with heavy cloud cover - obviously we'd say it's likely to have been an easy way to fake the thing on film.

[rodin]

Most nuke tests had a limited (and controllable) live audience. The atmospheric tests were more widely viewable, and it appears Starfish Prime in particular produced visible effects 140Km away from the the source (at least so it is claimed). That puts it in a different league.

On balance I think nuclear bombs are a hoax - and this fits in with my research into hoax physics.

On the David Icke forum I have a very lively thread going in which I proposed the motion that

Nuclear bombs are a Jewish hoax like everything is

https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=197113
or https://forum.davidicke.com/showthread.php?t=197113

The opposition is weak, easily demolished. I even hinted that they should pick up on Starfish Prime, none did. Now I am not interested in proving nuclear bombs are a hoax, I just want to get to the truth. Hence I want a credible alternative explanation for Starfish Prime.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

I'd like to see some historical perspectives.

In ancient Egypt, so I hear, the Pharaoh had to go down to the river every morning and command the sun to rise. If he didn't, then everyone would die, I suppose.

In some places they had human sacrifice, otherwise, their crops would die, or some other calamity.

So I am wondering what other ancient cultures did to convince the people that the elite in power had to do certain things, or the world would come to an end, and thus the elite had control over the unwashed masses.

Same game here with the nuke hoax. Those in power have power through fear and deception.

Maybe some historians here can think about this, and give parallel examples of cultures that used end of the world threats to keep the populace in control.

[rerevisionist]

@ rodin - similar claims were made for the supposed 'rainbow bomb', a claimed experiment involving a nuclear bomb high in the atmosphere. Naturally this caused agonised debate, comment, etc. I found a DVD about it, and other material; one side effect was supposed to have been that phone communications were disrupted - in Hawaii. Naturally for safety reasons the supposed explosion was in a remote area. I don't think there was any significant explosion, in fact. One way to detect BS is to look for asymmetries: if something causes effects hundreds of miles away, it presumably should cause similar effects all round in a circle, and more of them closer in. Accounts of e.g. a broken window in Nevada, or someone claiming to see a flash of light 90 miles away, are better explained as suggestions, in the same way that Uri Geller pretended to start watches over the TV.

'Nukes in Space' film - Rockets, 'Tests', 'Rainbow bomb' https://www.nukelies.com/forum/nukes-in-space-dvd-rainbow-bomb.html

@FirstClass - I sometimes think priests developed from early science, notably astronomy. Stonehenge shows (if you accept the calendar idea - it was strenuously opposed, even quite recently) that, in the remote past, some people had worked out the length of the year and seasons and some eclipses and so on. Quite an achievement. Similarly in middle America, Egypt, Babylon, China etc. However, if science is generally known about, people tend to take it for granted, in the way primitive people and politicians assume that aircraft, cars etc are part of the scenery. So astronomers had a motive to make their skills mysterious and ritualised and secret and impressive. (There's a Mark Twain story in which the prediction of a solar eclipse terrifies the baddies - similar idea). Maybe priests developed from that?

[rerevisionist]

I've just revised the list at the very start of this thread, to try to encourage new posts on new mateiral - deceptive websites and books trying to cover up nuclear frauds, real health issues, supposed nuclear tests sites as they are now, new views on world politics (at present there are war drums over Iran).