Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground level?

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Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground level?

Postby rerevisionist » 04 Jul 2011 11:59


A Few Notes on World War 2 Filming and Photographs. Inserted 21 July 2015

Priesthoodagitator = FirstClassSkeptic I've been watching some WWII documentary moves. They all had movie cameras. The Germans, British, Americans, Japanese, Russians, were all taking a hell of a lot of pictures. The one documentary I was watching even had a chapter talking about all of the motion pictures and still pictures being taken in WWII, the most photographed war, up to that time, at least. The photographers would expose film and send it back immediately. It would be developed back at someplace safe, understandably enough.

And I've seen several films of bombs dropping from planes, and falling all the say to the ground, and exploding. And some in color So why no such picture of Little Boy and Fat Man?

rerevisionist Good point. David Irving I think had or saw such film of WW2. I remember that fighter planes, or some of them, had cameras to record their 'kills' or (more often) their misses of planes. I wonder if Kodachrome, which appeared for the public I think after 1945, was a wartime product. Maybe cine film with sprockets was reused by scraping off the emulsion? Lookout Mountain must have had mountains of old film, kept away from the public. There must have been film of weapons experiments: I remember Bertie Russell in his book on Vietnam talked about gory photos of Vietnamese whose head was shot off 'leaving just a stump' - censored from the public, of course. Come to think of it, I remember a British soldier telling me they'd seen a film of the effects of nerve gas, apparently on a condemned murderer who chose to be experimented on. There must be immense stores of such films.


Are there any photographs of the 'Atom Bombing' taken from the ground by Japanese on August 6 and Aug 9 1945?

For some time I assumed there were no photographs claimed to show bombing, taken by Japanese people. (Partly by analogy with Britain - I can't think of a single well-known photographic image of WW2 bombs in Britain. And I'd never seen one for Japan. Apart from the question of getting the equipment and film and processing, in the last stages of a war, there's the issue of censorship).

However several photographs appear online claiming to show 'the mushroom cloud'. I've looked at Hiroshima in detail here (not Nagasaki) and tried to find details - including by use of google.jp, and online translators, though these don't usually handle proper names. There are only three principal photographs, neither showing any general scenery. They could be genuine - but showing the effects of firebombing; they could show firebombing in some other location - I haven't attempted to collate the points from which they were supposedly photographed with the actual view which would have been seen; they could be faked; or they could as claimed show the after effect of an atomic bomb exploded in the air. I leave it to you to judge. The first appearances of these photographs all post-date 1945 by a number of years - at least as far as I could discover from Internet. Moreover, one has to wonder why these people only took one picture of what is presented as a horrific and unusual event. (And there are no doubt copyright issues - there seem to be different sets of photographs in circulation).

Photographs by three Japanese--

Seizo Yamada. 1 photo - this is the largest online version I could find, and may not display properly - type Ctrl - to shrink it-- Image
Seizo Yamada's photo seems to have been first published in 1949 in this book-
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Yoshito Matsushige [4 photos first printed in Asahi Gurafu in August 1952; only one shows a 'mushroom cloud'; I was unable to find a large version, but certainly it looks suspect-]
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The others are general scenes, this one possibly showing smoke in the background sky, or possibly just poor developing of the print or negative-
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Toshio Fukada ?? ?? no comment on this one!
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Re: Photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from the ground?

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 30 Jul 2011 00:30

They just look like smoke from a fire. Not really all that big. Not nearly as big as five miles high.
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Re: Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground lev

Postby Exorcist » 26 Feb 2012 21:25

If anyone wishes to spend £14.99 buying a fake photo of the Nagasaki mushroom cloud you can get one here:

http://www.art.co.uk/products/p15403551-sa-i3743414/japanese-photo-of-the-mushroom-cloud-of-the-atomic-bomb-blast-in-nagasaki-japan-aug-9-1945.htm?sorig=cat&sorigid=234850&dimvals=234850&ui=a99ba700e9ba4a61ad162f78f9445dbe

Japanese Photo of the Mushroom Cloud of the Atomic Bomb Blast in Nagasaki, Japan, Aug. 9, 1945

Ive Emailed them asking for details of it's authenticity.
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Re: Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground lev

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 26 Feb 2012 23:27

But the ... His film is a unique record – the only moving images of the Hiroshima bomb.


This shows up on google, but I can't get the link to load, or it's taking a very long time to do anything. It's supposed to be PBS. So I don't know what it's about for sure.

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q= ... a6E97eb26w
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Re: Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground lev

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 26 Feb 2012 23:32

OK. I got it to work. There's a bunch of advertising that was loading, and taking up time.

http://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/transcripts/the-world’s-biggest-bomb-program-transcript/862/

It's the transcript of a show. So no pictures.

The video should be around someplace, I would think.

Narrator:
A weapon four thousand (4,000) times bigger than the Hiroshima bomb.

Agnew realized – perhaps better than anyone – what that signified.

As a brilliant young physicist with the wartime Manhattan Project, he worked on the world’s first nuclear weapons.

Agnew flew on the historic mission to Hiroshima – in a B-29 shadowing the delivery aircraft, Enola Gay.

His task was to measure the yield from this first atomic bomb.

DR HAROLD AGNEW:
When the bomb went off we saw the light, then we felt two shockwaves – which surprised us – and then we realised one of them was a reflection from the ground.

And then we dashed over to look out this little porthole and I took the pictures of the Hiroshima cloud.

Narrator:
His film is a unique record – the only moving images of the Hiroshima bomb.

Agnew flew back – to help ready a second bomb.

He’s pictured here – carrying the bomb core itself.

When dropped on Nagasaki shortly after, it effectively ended World War Two.

Together, these bombs had killed more than 150-thousand people.

Many more would perish from their injuries – and the effects of radiation.

As the war ended – the era of the weapon of mass destruction had begun.


Now I see it. Look at the column on the right. 'Watch the full episode".
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Re: Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground lev

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 26 Feb 2012 23:37

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Harold Agnew
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Re: Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground level?

Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 26 Feb 2012 23:56

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Look at the snazzola on that guy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Agnew

A member of the Council of Foreign Relations:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/Agnew_Harold

So, this is the guy they say took that jerky little film, that I have been saying is a still photo, and they are just jerking the movie camera around?

This guy is still alive, apparently. But he's 90.
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Re: Any photographs of Hiroshima & Nagasaki from ground lev

Postby Exorcist » 27 Feb 2012 11:33

I've just received a reply from art.com, the US parent company of art.co.uk, regarding the fake Nagasaki mushroom photo I linked to earlier....Note they conveniently fail to provide the name of the artist I am supposed to search for....lol


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