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Women Protestors as 'useful idiots' staying within the box

Postby rerevisionist » 20 Jul 2011 00:37

Depressing topic warning!

Yes. Despite the support for women's votes and so on, and the huge expansion in what's called 'education', the number of serious women revisionists is almost zero. The leading people in all the following fields: crime statistics evaluation/ Shakespeare authorship/ World War 2 and 'Holocaust' work/ NASA frauds/ 9-11/ insecticides and poisoning/ investigators of mistakes in biological science/ weaponry and war crimes/ mistakes in educational practices/ population problems/ Jews and paper money/ honest criticisms of religion/ anti-war activity/ truth about Islam/ global warming-climate change/ Norway killings/ Darwin as plagiarist of Wallace etc etc etc and of course nuclear matters are virtually all male. Disappointingly, there seems no realistic chance that women in any numbers will have significant effects on genuine and important ideas.

As for 'useful idiots', what follows is a book review of a recent book by someone called Bibi van der Zee, The Protestor's Handbook, mostly legally relevant to Britain. I don't vouch that this Dutch-sounding person actually exists - she may be named on the principle that 'Haagen Dazs' sounds clean and Scandinavian, but was made up by PR people. Anyway, she has only one page on nuclear matters, describing someone who was in CND (Campaign for [British unilateral] Nuclear Disarmament) who went on to the dizzy heights of teaching 'conflict resolution' which, judging by the state of the world, hasn't been a dazzling success.

Why do women only protest on conventionalised lines? It may be a combination of
. (1) Lack of interest in technical matters, or subservience to men, without development of critical ability; both deter getting to the bottom of subjects. In nuclear issues, this is an absolutely crucial omission.
. (2) Desire to do something which may be useful; there's no choice therefore but to accept someone else's view. For example, the book reviewed below takes it for granted that 'climate change' is the most important issue for the future - and obviously this must simply be an imposed view, since it's not arrived at by careful consideration of possibilities. Her handlers avoid 9/11, and many other important topics.
. (3) Presumably also absence of a serious career - something for which I have great sympathy.
. (4) Note quite a few women copy male ideas, often very damaging ones - see e.g. Barbara Lerner Spectre. This latter type are 'useful idiots' in a full-blown sense.

Anyway, I've highlit a few comments---

The Protestor's Handbook, Guardian Books 2008, retitled and reprinted unchanged 2010

Guardian Books seems to be an imprint of the Guardian newspaper. In the most hypocritical manner possible, the Guardian is owned by or connected with the Scott Trust, or Scott Trust Limited, which does everything in a purely profit-making and tax-avoiding basis.

The authoress of this book appears to be purely journalistic; there are sections contributed by four lawyers, on subjects related to activism and protest, but her contributions are mainly interviews, with a few accounts of visits (e.g. to south America). It's not clear whether the interviews were hers, or the result of raiding Guardian files. Some may have been telephone interviews. Much of the material is biographical - a few random examples are: a Palestine Solidarity Group, protected by police, at a 'crucial' football match with Israel; Jon Trickett, a (then?) Labour MP who lobbied for a clause 'to include in their annual review anything that might harm profits because it endangers the company's reputation'; Sue who wanted to throw eggs at Tony Blair's car; Ralph Nader; Dave Currey, a wildlife trafficking investigator.

Some of the material is historical flashbacks over the last few centuries - sometimes at unnecessary length - there's quite a bit on Gandhi, Tolstoy, M L King - she doesn't seem to know Indian partition resulted in massive deaths, Tolstoy's Russia was swept away by Jews, M L King failed in his aims. She also for, presumably, traditional reasons includes Marx, and groups liable to suspicion, such as the British Nutrition Foundation. She does not extend her scepticism to other funded groups which she approves of.

The material is arranged in chapters, but these don't really reflect their contents properly - I think the book, including the bibliography, was put together from fragments. There are 17 chapters, including e.g. Fundraising, Boycotts, Lobbying parliament, unions, Going into politics, and Legal action.

How useful is this book? Well - the legal sections could be valuable: there are sections - which are indexed, but a bit hard to find - on e.g. defamation (watch what you write), demonstrations (arrange beforehand etc), Freedom of Information (only three pages on this). In common with all popular presentations I've ever seen on law, it's not made clear what happens if things go wrong. A friend of mine makes FoI requests to his council, but they break the law by ignoring them. So what can he do?

An aspect the book is the DIY side - get people together, hold meetings, arrange strategies, and lo and behold, things may get done. Bibi van der Zee recommends an outfit called Seeds of Change to help set up organisations with the help of 'facilitators'; its website reads rather like Common Purpose transposed into 'green' imagery. There's a section on forming your own political party (she doesn't recommend it). There's nothing on websites.

Is this book in fact useful? I made a list of possible issues: What action could be taken to bolster free speech in universities, when it comes under attack by thugs? Is there some way to make the authorities take action on 'grooming' of underage girls? Can action be taken when lies are shown up retrospectively - for example when Kraft closed Cadbury's after promising to keep it open? What can be done about racial groups, which are encouraged when white/English groups are prohibited? What about fluoridation? What about PFI ('Private Finance Initiative') and huge debts? What about paper money and the Rothschilds? What about the RSPCA doing nothing about ritual slaughter? --- It's perfectly clear from this book that only a small subset of issues troubles van der Zee. She thinks climate change is the most important world issue.

This leads to the question of information. She says (p 98) with agonising naivete 'Most of the time the facts are readily available.' Chapter 10 'Getting the facts' make sit clear she has no idea about in-depth research, praising people like Woodward and Bernstein, and recounting 19th century muckrakers. Incidentally there is one mention (only) of 9/11 (p. 180) - it's obvious she hasn't a clue.

Who is the book aimed at? I think the clue is in her introduction, when she quotes Charlotte Despard - "For me... militant suffrage was the very salt of life. ... like a draught of fresh air ... that sense of being some use.." Van der Zee says 'Trade union activists don't have time to find girlfriends, and they're always very thin and handsome and intense and sex mad..' I remember a friend of mine telling me about an Amnesty International meeting in Guildford, England; a man announced he worked for the BBC, and 'an erotic thrill went round the room.' Some time later, the BBC man dropped out of the group and could not be contacted. It was found he'd slept with 'the more attractive women'. Page 165 has an amusing account of the early days of Greenpeace and 'beautiful, intelligent, liberated.. etc females'. Lesbians are not left out, of course. The psychology seems similar to women who convert to Islam, or have mixed race children, or shag people like Assange.

Let's not forget the career element, though. Dave Webb (p. 69) joined CND, and now teaches 'a peace and conflict resolution MA'. Billy Bragg was interviewed - a fairly obscure singer, notorious as promoting immigration, but living in a big house, which was in some magazine - House Beautiful? - in Dorset. A few professional lobbyists are described. Van der Zee seems to have understandably drawn the line at professional managers of charities (which, she fails to point out, are immune from the FoI Act) and civil servants who supposedly dispense foreign aid. She also says nothing about infiltrators - the police amuse themselves as actors entering these groups; recently one was revealed to have fathered a child, presumably on a gullible activist, before disappearing. No wonder some people call them 'the filth'!

This is a book for people who aren't well informed, or particularly intelligent, but are, or want to appear passionate. There's security in numbers, up to a point; so there you are. Van der Zee does have a few passages which actually examine whether protest works. Of course these are mostly in the 'west' where it's less likely you'll be shot or kidnapped. She concludes violence sometimes works (without quoting the IRA). But such passages are rare. Most of the book resembles Samuel Smiles - a lot of stories which may shame people into action, at least for a time. I wonder how many abandoned and failed groups there are out there. Sigh.


Keywords: women, protestors, women's groups, women protestors, activists, selective activism, funded activism, pseudo-activists, directed activism, useful idiots, chauvinists, male chauvinist pigs
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Re: Women Protestors as 'useful idiots'

Postby tabby » 20 Jul 2011 02:05

What? What???? What????
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Postby NUKELIES » 22 Jul 2011 02:52

Feminism was not only embraced by gullible women, it was accepted by gullible men. When I see women slaving away in offices - often in dead-end bureaucratic positions - I ask myself "Why would they want to do that?" and the only logical answer is that they were indoctrinated to want to do that. Woman have just as much creative capacity as men, obviously, but if I were a woman I would happily embrace my role as the passive half of the bargain rather than compete in the brutal world and competition of male domination.

So I don't see why women even feel the need to rebut chauvinism. They have a complementary power which we men do not possess, which has essentially been conditioned out of them in the West. I see many younger women now-a-days beginning to allow themselves to behave and dress in a feminine manner, which is a sight for sore eyes.
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Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 23 Jul 2011 01:45

. Page 165 has an amusing account of the early days of Greenpeace and 'beautiful, intelligent, liberated.. etc females'. Lesbians are not left out, of course.


I've heard that men join Greenpeace because there's good looking women there.
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Re: Women Protestors as 'useful idiots'

Postby rerevisionist » 23 Jul 2011 03:38

I've heard that men join Greenpeace because there's good looking women there.


Pink Floyd's film The Wall has Pink's wife going off with a would-be anti-nuclear activist - there's a probably accurately observed scene where the young woman in a hall with seating clearly weighs up whether to go to chat to the speaker.... The soundtrack is Mother Do You Think They'll Drop the Bomb.
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Re: Women Protestors as 'useful idiots'

Postby rerevisionist » 27 Jul 2011 13:39

Hi mooninquirer!

Don't worry about tabby, who's known to me! Now - my Youtubes include a moon landing sceptic piece, which was broadcast in 1999 in Britain by Channel 4 (not the BBC), and it includes Mary Bennett, who I'm happy to promote. BUT David Percy is by far the superior of that two-person partnership. And I have met Eleni Papadopulos-Eleopulos, in Perth! (I had to check her name, though). Again, I see her as part of a male-dominated splinter group. As for Ellen Brown, her book looks a sensational thing to me and - IMPORTANT - she seems to say NOTHING about the way wars may have been generated by money power behind the scenes, including weapons deals, nor does she seem to have a theoretical model of what actual percentage goes to the Jewish controllers, and how they use this to influence the world. However - I haven't read it and may be wrong, though it seems unlikely to me.

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I repeat:-
The leading people in all the following fields: crime statistics evaluation/ Shakespeare authorship/ World War 2 and 'Holocaust' work/ NASA frauds/ 9-11 / insecticides and poisoning/ investigators of mistakes in biological science/ weaponry and war crimes/ mistakes in educational practices/ population problems/ Jews and paper money/ honest criticisms of religion/ anti-war activity/ truth about Islam/ global warming-climate change etc etc and of course nuclear matters are virtually all male.


However, my point really was commenting on protestors, and the way well-meaning women get shepherded into fake organisations, pseudo-charities, controlled opposition groups etc. There are protestors about supposed nuclear power, supposed nuclear trains, supposed nuclear weapons, but it's clear the activists know virtually nothing about the real issues. If anything, this lack of knowledge makes them even more shrill and fanatical. Female newsreaders and publicists are a similar type, almost always. I'm not of course saying this is exclusively a female thing - there are innumerable male liars. What I am saying is that the few exceptions are virtually all male.

With respect, I don't think the fact that (e.g.) your mum laughed at accounts of MIRV missiles has much evidential value.
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Postby NUKELIES » 27 Jul 2011 14:22

I was happy to see that tabby had posted, but I would like to invite her to post on other topics as well.

As far as the issue of women versus men goes: If a woman were to state on this forum that the Truth Movement is dominated by men, it would be acceptable in the eyes of most readers of the board. But if I were to state that government bureaucracy is populated by women, it might offend someone.

It is time to leave feminism behind us. It has not accomplished its goals. It has debased society and engendered mediocrity. Women have a complementary power which they should respect. They do not need to compete with men.
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Postby rerevisionist » 27 Jul 2011 16:08

There's a difference of opinion here. I wish the women's movement had worked - I want female revisionists! The world needs them.
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Postby FirstClassSkeptic » 07 Aug 2011 17:09

rerevisionist wrote:There's a difference here. I wish the women's movement had worked - I want female revisionists! The world needs them.


Well, there's that woman that wrote a book exposing the fraud of Kinsey's sex report.
There a woman, maybe more than one, that have written about the fraud of vaccinations.
There's Joyce Riley, who has The Power Hour radio show and web site that talks about a lot of alternative issues.
There's a woman that worked for the US Dept. of Education that has written a book, "The deliberate dumbing down of America" about how the public school is about indoctrination, not education.

Sorry I can't think of these women's names.
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Re: Women Protestors as 'useful idiots'

Postby rerevisionist » 07 Aug 2011 17:24

Well, there's that woman that wrote a book exposing the fraud of Kinsey's sex report.
There a woman, maybe more than one, that have written about the fraud of vaccinations.
There's Joyce Riley, who has The Power Hour radio show and web site that talks about a lot of alternative issues.
There's a woman that worked for the US Dept. of Education that has written a book, "The deliberate dumbing down of America" about how the public school is about indoctrination, not education.


Charlotte Thomson Iserbyt wrote the dumbing-down book - it's downloadable from Internet. BUT it's full of stuff about commies and baddies and the Cold War and brainwashing and other weak material. A true revisionist work should be a comprehensive re-examination of the subject. This forum has much better examples by each of us.

I've quite often tried, in chatrooms, to interest women in e.g. the Shakespeare authorship issue, but generally they simply refuse to consider any new material. This is an apparently 'soft' issue, and they give the same reaction, but more so, on any technical issue or any issue needing wide general knowledge. So I stick by my original depressing claim.
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Postby rerevisionist » 30 Sep 2011 12:12

Another example (this is a result of bookshop browsing). I put this review on Amazon, of Climate Change: Small Guides to Big Issues by Melanie Jarman. It's a nicely-produced small paperback, about 4 inches by 6, with a photo of some modern wind generators on the cover, and endorsements by Oxfam. Published by a 'left wing' publisher (code word for Jewish). She also edits or edited the mag of the Campaign Against the Arms Trade, though it now occurs to me this might well be yet another fake - Jews in the LBJ era profited from genocide; does Melanie Jarman comment on this issue? I would guess not, though conceivably I could be pleasantly surprised.

1 out of 5 stars - Disconnected series of claims and causes with little evidential basis, 29 Sep 2011
This review is from: Climate Change: Small Guides to Big Issues


Everyone knows now (after the leaking of computer proof that results had been rigged) that the global warming/ climate change issue has problems. This little book is obviously intended to side with the claimants for climate change. But it's not even successful for that purpose. It has a ragbag of human interest stories - Joanna in Mozambique, an Indian village with 'low energy' light bulbs; mixed with statements from vested interests - the World Bank, the 'carbon market' - people such as Goldmann Sachs are tactfully omitted; with statements from people who may or may not be scientific - Friends of the Earth, Oxfam's Pakistan project, the Stern Review, the Stockholm Environment Institute. Plus about 50 acronyms including the IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) and various World Banks schemes, plus agencies and institutes. And boxes and graphs which bear some relation to the surrounding chapter, but not usually much.

There are 'resources' at the end of the book - books and magazines, and organisations, all I think explicitly activist groups toeing the line. There are endnotes, listing books and journals, with no indication of reliability or believability (for example NASA gets a few quotes!) The book is indexed.

I'm not sure this book was ever intended to be read; it's possibly more like Chairman Mao's little red book, to be held aloft and waved by chanting protestors, or leafed through to get an alarmed and worried feel. Certainly this can work, up to a point. No doubt their secretive funders cash in and collect their percentages. The book may have been designed to look formidable, assuming most people are too idle to try to check. There isn't for example as far as I could find any estimate of the total CO2 in the atmosphere, to compare with emissions. Nor any estimate of the amount dissolved in seawater. Nor any indication of how the temperature can be measured *of the entire globe* - there must be huge inaccuracies and doubts there. The author naturally is weak on coal and oil, with not much sign of an overview, and has no idea about question marks over nuclear power, if it exists.

One star may seem harsh. But this book is supported by Oxfam and by several publishers (Pluto in the USA and UK - a 'left wing' publisher which is probably part of the Jewish fake left). If they were serious, they'd make a better effort. Is it, for example, even possible that the entire world can be supplied with electricity? Anyway, disappointing. But the book is several years old now, and I see nobody has reviewed it, unless you count quoting its own blurb as a 'review'. Hence this warning review.
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Postby rerevisionist » 04 Oct 2011 15:57

I've just found Melanie Jarman contributes, or used to contribute, to Red Pepper, which I'm afraid is one of these fake left covert Jewish promotions. Nothing new there - but I was amused that there's a headline - from October 2007, believe it or not - right at the top, Voices of descent which of course ought to be 'dissent'. (This is Oct 4 2011 - maybe they'll get round to changing it?)
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