[rerevisionist]

Edmund seems not to have taken any notice of our shrewd advice. His video has had fewer hits than this thread.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

Where is this video?

[rerevisionist]

It's called 'Nuclear Weapons Do Not Exist' on youtube, by TVOW. It seemed almost all derivative and unevidenced to me. However the worst thing is the pronunciation 'nukula'.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

He's getting a few positive comments there.

20 minutes is hard for me to watch. That would probably take me a few hours to download to watch.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

One of the posters there mentions a Eric Jon Phelps:

So, wimpy, gimpy Russia has this nuclear device, right? And oh, if we decide to go to war with Russia, well, we might get bombed! There's mutual, assured destruction. So to keep that from happening, we won't fight 'em, and we'll let them purge the world of all its Protestants. That's the purpose of the Cold War.

The Cold War then went into China, and the U.S. 7th Fleet, according to the Birch Society, and they're right about this, blocked Chiang Kai-Shek from being able to go into China and take over the country. So, Mao Se-Dung could get in control, get in power, and then carry out his inquisition against the land owners, against the Buddhists, against all the Protestant missionaries who were in China-just like the good Jesuit pawn that he was.

And, of course, the intimidation idea was that you can't go to China-why, there's millions of people there! Meanwhile, the Japanese whipped the Chinese to death in their war with China, when the Japanese went in. The Chinese had no technology. They had no organized army. They were easy to beat.

But the idea we were sold was: Oh no-China is a great, powerful nation, and now they even have the bomb! Stalin gave them a bomb, so we can't fight them anymore. So we won't do anything to them, while they're murdering 50 million people. And remember the 'baby-boomers' of the United States, we would have fought the world. We would have rid the world of tyranny, had we had leadership that would have led us to that. But we had this farce, called the nuclear, mutual assured destruction. We had this farce called the dropping of the bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Whatever it was, it wasn't dropping nuclear bombs-and Edwin Corley does a pretty good job in his The Jesus Factor, in trying to tell you what else it was.

And so, we have this nonsense Cold War, which enables Rome to put up all their dictators, their Communist dictators, all of them loyal to the Pope-including Ho Chi Minh. Ho Chi Minh had a secret deal with Pope John XXIII, and he was under the advice of a Roman Catholic Bishop all throughout the war.

http://www.whale.to/b/pope.html

The Jesuits accomplished much during Pope Pius XII's Hoax of the Cold War. They created the Airborne Nuclear War Hoax by faking the air-bursting of atomic bombs at Hiroshima and Nagasaki using dropped magnesium flash bombs loaded with uranium and/or plutonium while the atomic devices (having been assembled on the ground for months with the protection of the Japanese High Command) were simultaneously being triggered on the ground for which resident Jesuit Pedro Arrupe was promoted to Jesuit Superior General in 1965; they later gave the nuclear devices to Stalin and Mao so that with televised detonations on the ground, the Cold War was given a reality in the mind of Americans; they created the nation of Israel using Cardinal Spellman to back Jewish Masonic Jesuit Coadjutors Weizmann and Ben-Gurion who participated in the Jewish Holocaust with SS Colonels Eichmann and Kurt Becher;

http://a-albionic.com/topic/169

So, one place he says it wasn't atomic, and the other place, he says it was, but on the ground.

I guess there could have been bombs on the ground.

http://www.amazon.com/Jesus-Factor-Edwi ... 0812881044

"The Jesus Factor" is a superbly written, utterly engrossing, and amazingly believable tale of how the atom bomb, our prized protectorate against enemies who would engage in the use of chemical or biological warfare, may not be as functional as we have always been taught.

This was written in 1984!!

[FirstClassSkeptic]

The Jesus Factor (novel)
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Jesus Factor is a 1970 [nuclear] conspiracy theory thriller novel by Edwin Corley based on the Manhattan Project of World War 2 and the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. It concerns issues relating to the "arms race" and the collective guilt of those involved with the bombings.[1]

Its fictional premise is the discovery during the development of nuclear weapons that they only detonate if stationary in a gravitational field, making their use as air-dropped bombs impossible. In the novel, the nuclear attacks of World War II are simulated using aeroplane-mounted magnesium flares and dispersed radionuclides, taking advantage of the destruction caused by an earthquake. An international conspiracy hides this fact in the interest of maintaining nuclear deterrence.

The story concerns events when this status quo is threatened by one of the original bombardiers, who discovers the conspiracy while running for US president with a policy of nuclear disarmament.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Jesus_Factor_(novel)

That sounds like the Secret Key Activator saying that the sun, moon and earth have to be in a certain alignment for an atomic bomb to work.

[rerevisionist]

We have definitely discussed Corley before in our email discussions. Below is an email from 5th Feb 2011 - I found this by searching emails stored online. The level of our discussion is far, far ahead of Edmund's.

[1] Jesse's video being regarded as a parody. Well, I did a google and could find hardly any evidence of it being discussed by anyone, and ditto with my videos. (I found 'abovetopsecret' on which Jesse posted as violenttorrent I think but the thread seems to have petered out; it's disappointing in any case as the level of debate/disinformation is pretty sad.)
[2] I did find 'The Jesus Factor' according to Wiki a 1970 novel by Edwin Corley, which perhaps sounds interesting; but the reviews are crap and it's impossible to assess the novel without reading it, which I'm not keen to do. Magnesium flares etc over Hiroshima. However there is stuff about a bomb not working in a magnetic field which sounds like that ?Australian youtuber with his silly magnetic field of the earth thing.
[3] Interesting about Duff and would indeed explain the half-truthy aspect of his site. I tried to post a few emails sceptical of nuclear weapons, but I think they weren't allowed - and of course Israel would not be keen on such an idea getting out.
[4] 'Suitcase bombs' - I think the problem with 'low yield nukes' is that it conflicts with the critical mass idea, which of course imposes a low limit. However dirty bombs - non nuclear - may be another matter; I suspect a lot of Iraq birth defects etc are caused by chemical warfare, not nuclear stuff at all. A dirty bomb could be something chemical and that might be a genuine worry.
[5] I haven't watched any of Muller/Mueller - I assumed all the youtubes were short, and hadn't realised some were an hour or two or whatever. With people like Feynmann and probably this chap, I personally can't tell if they are liars, or believe their stuff - a bit like bishops. There's a lot of science fraud out there (I'm trying to work on a biology video, explaining why the results in some ways are so disappointing - cancer etc). There's the same difficulty with groups of people, typically in learned societies, who just will not answer questions and debate. I don't think Feynmann said anything useful on relativity, which I believe is just a fraud - and the odd thing is it seems to be a mark of being a scientific person that you say you believe i it. For example, Richard Dawkins says he does, and yet it's smply not credible that he grasps the details.
[6] I'm interested in the idea that supposed observer(s) of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were just plain liar(s). Any views on the pilots? Maybe there was a special Jewish squadron?? Maybe there were many 'missions' on the same day, and it's possible they didn't know where they were bombing - I can imagine pilots thinking, gee, it must have been some other plane, we just dropped more firebombs.
[7] I'm not sure your concentration on slow/fast neutrons goes far enough. The thing is supposed to be based on multiple fissions of multiple nuclei, so the key thing surely is what the neutrons do AFTER being liberated by fission. They might all move at different speeds, for example, or might shoot out with great force, or, being neutral, just be pushed around by the other products.
Rae
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Rae :
I admire JBS Haldane. In fact, my first youtube account ( which youtube deleted ) was "haldanelion," and that was also my account at http://www.theforbiddentruth.net, from which I was ALSO banned. Recently Scott Roberts banned my new account as well, after I only made a few postings. I proposed that all I would talk about was the nuke bomb hoax, but he EVEN erased my comments about the nuke bomb hoax, from my own channel page !

Scott really seems to relish these scare tactics. He keeps saying that the White race is in imminent danger of being wiped out, and that a race war is going to ensue any minute now, in which Mexicans, Blacks, and Chinese are going to exterminate the White race in America.

He really likes that Gordon Duff article, published Nov 11, 2010 in Veteran's Today, titled, "The Plot to Destroy America," in which he says Israel is going to explode suitcase nukes in American cities. I pointed out that Gordon Duff is half-Jewish, and has said that Israel is a good place, that Judaism is a good, moral religion, and that American Jews are the TRUE victims of Zionism and the ADL. With such lies, how can we trust Gordon Duff on Israel's supposed suitcase nukes ? I pointed out all of the propagandists of nuke bombs were Jews. Since that website is SUPPOSED to be about Jewish domination, I found it unusual that Scott didn't like that.

Anyway, I independently thought of the problem of the very great spacing between nuclei as a problem for a nuclear explosion by myself, without having read that Haldane thought of that as well. It is not surprising to me that someone else thought of that before.

Has JBS Haldane said that the nuclear spacing is a problem for nuclear power, or just for nuclear bombs ? Later on, unfortunately, Haldane accepted nuclear bombs.

We must think the way scientists did think BEFORE the supposed first nuke bombs. When Werner Heisenberg first heard of the Hiroshima bomb, he said the device "must have been something like a nuclear reactor, with the neutrons slowed by many collisions with a moderator." That is from Wikipedia's article on URANIUM-HYDRIDE BOMBS

Later on, there was experimentation with nuclear bombs that use a moderator. These were said to be very ineffective. But this whole thing might have been to cover for the claim that fission bombs relied upon FAST NEUTRONS to fission the U 235. The contradiction I see with that, is that in the ( supposed ) fast neutron reactor, U 238 ( which is THE most abundant isotope, forming about 99.2 % of all uranium ), is fissioned with the fast neutrons. So, I wonder, if fast neutrons can fission the abundant U 238 in a reactor, then why can't they do that in the Hiroshima-type bomb, and do away with al of that fuss about producing U 235, or highly enriched uranium ?

The neutrons released after the fissioning are always fast neutrons, so this would make a chain reaction possible, if ideed fast neutrons CAN cause a fissioning, which is something I find contradictory.

Another reason to realize nuclear bombs are a hoax, is this quote from Werner Heisenberg, showing limitations : " One can never make an explosive with slow neutrons, not even with the heavy water machine, as then the neutrons only go with thermal speed, with the result that the reaction is so slow that the thing explodes before the reaction is complete."

Admittedly, it is claimed that fast neutrons CAN cause the fissioning of U 235, but with a small probability. So, let's take that small probability of absorption of neutrons, and combine it with the HUGE spacing between the nuclei, and you realize that even fast neutrons are not going to cause an explosion, because only a very tiny number of nuclei are going to fission, resulting in extreme heat, which will vaporize un-fissioned uranium or plutonium, which will deform or "explode" the uranium or ploutonium pit or critical mass, like steam boling in a pot of water, and it will no longer be of critical mass.

At the end of UC BERKELEY PHYSICS NUKES ( type that into youtube ) , Prof Mueller, a Jew, admits that initially a nuclear explosion is no greater in force than than a chemical explosion, but he claims that the fast neutrons have a secondary effect of fissioning the matter in air, in the expanded material. But this is IMPOSSIBLE, since were not we told that the plutonium or uranium was separated in the bomb in the first place, and that imploding it was necesary to create that critical mass ?

It is much less likely that neutrons are going to hit nuclei in atoms that have spread apart, in the same way that a hunter is less likely to hit ducks when they fly away in all different directions.

Not only does Prof Mueller lie about the moon landing, man-made global warming, and implies that UFOs as space aliens are a rational idea, he says that his thesis adviser, Luis Alvarez, flew in a plane over Hiroshima to witness that bomb.

But you should know something about Luis Alvarez. He is a proven liar, because he supposedly analyzed the Zapruder film, and concluded that the backward movement of JFK's head was consistent with a shot coming from the rear. We know this isn't true, and there are also many other reasons to realize that the head shot came from the front, like the fact that JFK's brains were blown out of the back of his head, and Jackie climbed onto the rear hood of the limo to get them ( thus risking her life, because had she wanted to avoid gunfire, she would have couched down like the bystanders did in the grassy knoll ).

mooninquirer

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I might have missed that email. I don't remember it, at any rate.