[TVOW]

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[mooninquirer]

Very good and important question.

I am not sure that Obama knows they are a hoax, and I really doubt that John McCain knows this as well. On the night of Sept 11, 2001, McCain said that we should consider nuking the Muslim world. He was very serious about it.

I think certainly the Jewish neo-con war planners like Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, and Douglas Feith, know nuke bombs are a hoax. If they really believed they were a possibility, then they would have urged the US to go to war with North Korea, which openly stated they were producing a nuclear bomb, and later it was reported that they exploded one. This was in 2002 -2003, during the run-up to war with Iraq, that North Korea kept saying it was developing nuclear weapons,to taunt the West, and to blackmail to get more aid.

Since in 2001, North Korea sold missiles to Yemen, and North Korea was VERY desperate for oil, selling any nuke bombs for oil would be a natural thing for North Korea to do. It could easily have sold nuclear weapons to Iran. Now, this is something that the neo-cons claim they fear. And since the neo-cons also knew that Iraq was NOT producing any kind of WMD's, if North Korea's nuke bomb program WAS real, then they would have urged war against North Korea instead, had they believed that nuclear weapons were a reality. This particular event is a good indication that nuclear weapons are a hoax.

Before I became Jew-wise, I was on positive terms with Jews, and I took a workshop on "talking about Israel" that was really designed just for Jews, at a synagogue. There was definitely hesitation about allowing me in, but they might have feared that I was going to sue them for discrimination, and Jews also do not want others to think that they themselves discriminate on the basis of race, even though that is very true. I paid the fee for this group discussion workshop. At first, many in the group were reluctant to tell me the truth they knew. But there was one woman who was much more open about things. Why is it that a WOMAN would tell me the truth might have something to do with women in general, regardless of religion or race, always wanting to be right, in talking to a man --- ANY man ( more on that later ).

But when I strenuously objected that America should have gone to war with North Korea --- if at all --- instead of Iraq, because North Korea WAS developing nuclear weapons, this woman just blurted out " nuclear weapons are a hoax ! " And to the incredulous look on my face, she just followed up " there was no nuclear bomb dropped on Hiroshima --- it was just firebombed " And what is remarkable is that no one else in the group disputed this statement, and NEITHER did they appear shocked ! I think the average person WOULD appear very shocked upon hearing this, and demand an explanation. So, I think that a lot of common Jews know that nuclear weapons are a hoax, because they lived their whole lives KNOWING that the media is dominated by Zionist Jews, which just tell a lot of lies. The Jews have had a big head start on us Gentiles, in terms of finding out the truth about all of these conspiracies and hoaxes.

Now, at the time it didn't sink into me. But, this particular woman said a few other things that I didn't accept at the time ( this was in 2005 ), but which I found out to be true, like the war with Iraq was ENTIRELY a war for Israel, that the bankers pick the president, and it is not that the president picks the Federal Reserve chairman, and that Jews are by far the most powerful group in America.

I have also met a few other Jews who at least doubt that nuclear weapons exist, if not realize 100 % that they are a hoax. These Jews use it as a test or a probe to see how much a Gentile is aware of the fake reality all around him. When I told one Jew about the neo-cons and the war with Iraq is a war for Israel, he shook his head and laughed, and said that I must read a lot ( this was in late 2007, while Bush was still in office. NOW, in it far more common that people are aware that the war with Iraq had nothing to do with Bush, Cheney, or oil, because they is all this talk of war with Iran, and Bush is out of office ). He didn't deny it. THEN he asked me if I believed in the moon landing. I said yes, but he declined to tell me that it was a hoax. Then he asked me if I believed that nuke bombs existed --- and this time he suggested that maybe all that happens is that when the subcritical pieces are brought together the critical mass gets very hot and does not explode.

It is very common practice in law enforcement to ask anyone reporting anything about crime "how far did you go in school ?" This is because how much knowledge someone has about the world around him is important to indicate how much he knows about any particular crime. But an FBI agent also asked me, " do you believe man landed on the moon ?" I thought this was a very strange question to ask. But he was just probing the depths of my knowledge, and, in particular, that one cannot rely upon what the media says at all --- everything has to be proven from scratch. This FBI agent was VERY dismissive about the media. But he ALSO asked me if I believed a nuclear bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. In view of the moon landing being a hoax, I think he also knew that Hiroshima was firebombed, and wanted to use this as a test as well, of my knowledge of the fake reality around me.

[rerevisionist]

Interesting. How many Jews know the 'Holocaust' is a fake, do you think?

Why is it that a WOMAN would tell me the truth might have something to do with women in general, regardless of religion or race, always wanting to be right, in talking to a man --- ANY man ( more on that later ). - you don't seem to have followed up this interesting remark!

[voerioc]

At the beginning, I although thought that very few people know the truth. But when I began to write about it, I saw some reactions on forums that made me doubt about this. Obviously, the guys who were reacting about this where those kinds of sayanim jews who flood the forums in order to prevent gentiles from knowing the truth. Their reactions were interesting for one reason.

I was defending the idea that nuclear plants are real but not the nuclear bombs. And two or three time, on different forums, the reaction was "Funny. Usually, when someone is sustaining the idea that atomic bombs are a myth, he also says that nuclear plants are a myth". The problem is ; at this time, this idea was completely new on the forums. Nearly nobody was sustaining this idea. So, how could they use the word "usually" ? For me, it indicates that those guys were aware of the all thing and the word "usually" didn't refer to gentile talking about it, but to the talks they have had between them, or something like that.

And the way the sentence was written made me feel they knew that nuclear plants were also bogus, and found funny that a guy who was able to understand that atomic bombs don't exist didn't understand that nuclear plants are bogus too. It was kind of : "Funny. He knows that atomic bombs don't exist, but he doesn't know that nuclear plants are also phony".

Thus, about nuclear bombs, it means it was obvious for them that they don't exist.

However, as the clue was very thin, I didn't think further about that and stayed only with a doubt. But the story of mooninquirer changes everything of course. Now, I believe much more that many everyday jews, if not most of them, know the truth.

And of course, it is interesting also about the reality of nuclear plants.

[NUKELIES]

Any debate concerning the existence or non-existence of nuclear power plants is divisive. It is a red herring. I have been dealing with people commenting on this subject for years now, always citing the possible existence of nuclear plants as justification for the possible existence of nuclear weapons.

The fact of the matter is that what we are fighting is mass ignorance of the increasingly obvious non-existence of nuclear weapons. voerioc alluded to this exact covert divisiveness employed by operatives and their apparent knowledge of the non-existence of nuclear bombs.

Luckily this topic of the possible existence of nuclear power, of which I am convinced is a non-issue, is not divisive enough to actually divide this forum. Trolls and spin-doctors will have to come up with something else if they want to handle and discredit this forum - and I'm sure that's what they're trying to do right now in some thinktank somewhere.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

Interesting. How many Jews know the 'Holocaust' is a fake, do you think?

All of them.

Just like all jews know they aren't really descendants of the ancient Israelites.

[TVOW]

Well I still think the easiest way to convince the world you have killed 6 million Jews is to kill 6 million Jews. I am all for freedom of speech and to question anything but I would beware of needless slander of the Jews with sweeping generalizations. Though I certainly think there is Zionist element to the grand conspiracy and I am all for it being investigated and discussed , however I do think excessive use of the generic word Jew doesn’t benefit any of our arguments.

[rerevisionist]

TVOW, there is no 'needless slander' of 'Jews'. It's all backed by evidence.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

But an FBI agent also asked me, " do you believe man landed on the moon ?" I thought this was a very strange question to ask.

Did he ask you if you believed if the sun went around the earth? They surveyed people in Russia, and 32% said, yes, the sun goes around the earth.

I saw a poll on another forum, and almost 3% said they had doubts about the existence of nuclear weapons.