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[NUKELIES]

Thanks Edmund - I'm going to put that up as NUKE LIES Evidence Clip 3 if you don't mind. That short video spells it out plain as day. NUKES = TNT.

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[rerevisionist]

The Bikini atoll film from the air has to be fake IF it wasn't an atom bomb.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrjpgnvusBI is a typical youtube of this explosion. I think there's a film by Joe Bonica which is the source of this, but I'm not sure if he got the full copyright.

One of the skeptic Youtubes out there points out that the cloud formations before the blast, and after, remain just the same, even though the blast products appear to go right through the clouds.

My best guess is [1] there was always a central explosion with these things, [2] they always seem to use a ring of explosives on the ground to give a wider base - these must have been set off either by wire, or synchronised radio transmission (or possibly timers). [3] Plus there's white smoke/ mist/ condensation which they claim is genuine - shaken from the air by the shock, an idea I think based on shock waves from then-new supersonic planes. The alternative view is that these clouds are fake, either retouched onto the film or using some other technique - matte box, maybe.

If you examine the bikini atoll film, it's consistent with a central conventional explosion giving smoke and flames, plus a ring to make the thing look bigger, and special effects lasting a few seconds and probably needing some skill to make plausible. If the clouds were added later, to add realism, the scale is simply unknowable. Conceivably a smallish explosion could generate a hemispherical spray of water, which larger explosions, judging by those generally available, can't do - big underwater explosions send water up, rather than hemispherically.

I suppose the jury is out - or, rather, hasn't heard the evidence yet.

[mooninquirer]

TVOW --- The propaganda was NOT that there was an H-bomb at Bikini Atoll, but nuclear fission bombs exploded. The very first device claimed to be a hydrogen, fusion, or thermonuclear device was in 1952 called "Ivy Mike," and it was said to be 500 times more powerful than the bomb supposedly dropped on Hiroshima.

Don't confuse things. Yes, hydrogen WILL explode in the CHEMICAL sense, when it combines with oxygen, and it forms water. That is why hydrogen has the name it does ---- it refers to hydrogen generating, or giving birth, to water ( hydro = water;; gen = generating ). And this was known hundreds of years ago, and it gives off a very weak explosion in comparison to what is claimed for nuclear explosions. In fact, it is a high school, if not grade school, physical chemistry experiment to separate water into hydrogen and oxygen by electrolysis, and then just explode that hydrogen in the test tube. It just causes a POP that will not break the test tube.

The H-bomb refers to a hypothetical device using the FUSION of the nuclei of isotopes of hydrogen, to produce helium, which will give off an enormous amount of energy. This is how energy is made in the Sun. But, no experiment has ever been done in fusion in which more energy has come out than was put in. Fusion requires an enormous threshold to be crossed, to bring like charges together. In the stars, this is accomplished by the gravity.

All of the claims that fusion was produced in the laboratory in which more energy has come out than has been put in have been shown to be in error. Remember cold fusion by those scientists in Utah, in 1988 ?

Now, nuclear fission does NOT have this "threshold" problem, because bringing like charged nuclei together is not required since a NEUTRON will cause the fissioning. Also, the electron clouds do not have to be stripped. Fusion thus requires and ENORMOUS amount of activation energy, to IONIZE the hydrogen by stripping it of its electron, and by forcing the like charged nuclei together. This is said to be accomplished by the explosion of a fission bomb. But even if you agree that the fission ( uranium or plutonium ) bomb will explode, it seems to me that all that would happen, long before the hydrogen nuclei are squished together, is that they will just be blown away and scattered.

Fissioning is a slow and gradual process, and it will not be the case that all or even a substantial number of the nuclei in fissile matter will undergo fission at once. This is because what we think of solid matter is mostly empty space. If the nucleus of U 235 were the size of a marble, then the whole U 235 atom, with its outer electron clouds, would be the size of Yankee stadium. Because of this extreme sparseness, there is no such thing as the "next nucleus" that fissions, so we are not going to get this escalating chain reaction.

A nuclear reactor is far more basic technology than a nuclear bomb, and since no FUSION reactor has ever been built, that is good indication that fusion or hydrogen bombs are a hoax.
In the Sun, this is not a problem, because the intense gravity and symmetrical shape pushing in around all asides, keeps the nuclei together.

[mooninquirer]

TVOW ---- a women's two piece swimsuit is called a "bikini," after the supposed explosion of an atomic bomb on Bikini Atoll. A girl wearing one would really be a BOMBSHELL ! I once said that there are religious and sexual reasons that people believe nuclear bombs. I think this might have had an effect on you ! You seem to WANT to believe that nuclear bombs exploded at Bikini Atoll ! But try to keep in mind, that the REAL bombshells are the girls themselves, and the usage of the term "Bikini" is just sucking off of us guy's recognition that some girls really are bombshells, in order to substantiate that nuclear bombs are very great. In effect, your thinking is something like "since Megan Fox is a bombshell many orders of magnitude hotter than other girls, then it must be true that an equivalent comparison between conventional bombshells, and nuclear bombshells, such as at Bikini Atoll, was also a reality."

And the first hydrogen, fusion, or thermonuclear device was after the supposed explosions at Bikini Atoll, in 1952, called "ivy Mike." Jesse's "Nuke Lies" really explains that this was a hoax, with the concoction overlaid on a picture of the Sun as they are zooming in. But read up on "Ivy Mike" on Wikipedia. It was ALL Hollywood, and was filmed by "Lookout Mountain Productions" with an hired actor doing the introduction. Check out the youtube clips of "Ivy Mike"

They are obviously fake, with that suspense building countdown, and the bad acting from the supposed witnesses. The witnesses do not act like they are about to witness a never before seen awesome unleashing of power, 500 times more powerful than the bomb that was said to melt the skin off of people at Hiroshima, and that MIGHT be far more powerful than estimates, since no experiment like this has ever been done, even on a small scale. If they really were about to witness this, then there would be a look of trepidation and fear, with a lot of cringing. But we do not see that at all, not even from the pretty lady. Wouldn't she worry about the effects of that enormous heat and light on her face, causing wrinkles ? Wouldn't she worry about her hair frizzing up ? Do a little practical joke ( by falsely claiming some device will really frizz up her hair ) on a woman to test out what her reaction WOULD be ! These witnesses look like they are putting on those 3-D glasses to watch a movie ! And what about the scary, ominous, Wagner-esque music, to instill the power of suggestion that what you are witnessing is really something awful ( i.e. inspiring fear and awe ), and not something to bring happiness and that is ordinary ( the Sun ) ?

Music has an enormous power to influence people's emotions. Wagner's symphonic orchestrations are so "pictorial" and make one feel so much emotion about the event, that his music is often ( correctly, in my opinion ) said to be better without the words. You don't even need ANY pictorial representation, or words, to STRONGLY feel the triumphal ride through the air in his "Ride of the Valkyries." People form their world view and accept or reject a piece of new data about the world based on whether it fits into one's "emotional belief system." ( I got this expression from Ralph Rene, a moon hoax researcher. You can read his book online for free. Just type into google : NASA MOONED AMERICA PDF ).

So watch "Ivy Mike" on youtube, but THEN "clear your mind" by also listening to happy music, and then watch the "explosion " of "Ivy Mike" again, without that ominous music. I recommend something like " Here comes the Sun" Another good thing to listen to is this very happy song ( Lady Gaga's Starstruck ) with a repeated lyric " Baby 'cause you blow my heart up." ( meaning you really turn me on ). And I recommend you watch youtube clips so that you can see some REAL bombshells ! Type into youtube : (1) MEGAN FOX STARSTRUCK (2) ADRIANA LIMA VS MIRANDA KERR STARSTRUCK

[TVOW]

All the test footage is fake , none of it is from genuine nuclear explosions ,

If they did create genuine nuclear explosions the footage would likely not match the fake footage already realised , so they are unlikely to relies it.

Also fake footage is only proof of the footage being fake , it is not really evidence of anything else.

If they did create any genuine nuclear explosion be them fission or fusion or other they would have likely have done it on a very small scale , if they wanted to know the destructive power they could simple extrapolate the result , there is no need to do such a test full size.

Also they may have found that though they may have been interesting scientific knowledge gained from such experiments , it is possible that the destructive force of such a device is less than that of our best conventional Bombs.

Regardless of any real experiments going on, the fakery would have continued, but I stand by the idea that at some point someone( a group of people ) must have tried whether it is possible or not .

Why move to island to test conventional bombs ?

[rerevisionist]

TVOW/ Edmund, you can't do a small-scale trial of a nuclear fission wepaon. The whole point is there's a certain size beyond which U238 is said to become unstable, and then explode with extreme heat as the chain raction takes place. If this mechanism is true, 'mini nukes' are simply not possible.

[rerevisionist]

@ mooninquirer - how about doing a Youtube with altered sound track? Call it something like 'Soundtrack Psychology and Nuclear Weapon fraud'

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[mooninquirer]

TVOW ---- those table top experiments HAVE been done already, by Enrico Fermi, and later by Otto Hahn. They both won the Nobel Prize on separate occasions. But this was just to achieve the fissioning of uranium, and it certainly was not an explosion, nor were these table top experiments a chain reaction. The first chain reaction was achieved in the first nuclear reactor, built by Fermi a few years later.

At first Enrico Fermi did not know he achieved fission. Otto Hahn's achieved fission, and he chemically identified the fission fragments or products of that fission.

Enrico Fermi won the Nobel Prize in 1938, and his citation specifically states it was for his investigations with "slow neutrons" He stated in his Nobel lecture that he used slow neutrons, and he used paraffin to slow them down.

A neutron canon, or source, would be a piece of radioactive matter like radium or polonium, covered with beryllium. The radium or polonium emits alpha particles, which are two protons and two neutrons bound together, or, as is sometimes stated, a helium nucleus. After being emitted from the radium or polonium, the alpha particle hits a nucleus somewhere in the matrix of atoms that comprise the beryllium, and this causes that beryllium nucleus to emit a neutron. Then this neutron passes through a moderator to slow it down. It slows down by hitting the nuclei of the moderator, but not being absorbed by them. Its kinetic energy is transfered to the vibrational kinetic energy of the nucleus that is hit.

Then this slow neutron is ready to enter the of the uranium metal, and be absorbed by one of the U 235 isotopes of that uranium, and thus causing a fissioning.