[voerioc]

If oil is abiotic, that doesn't make it infinite. It doesn't even mean that it is necessarily abundant. Gold is abiotic, Is there an infinite supply of gold on earth?

Yes, you can think that it doesn’t change anything about the recoverable quantities of oil. But if it doesn't change anything, why did the jews lie about the origin of oil ? Just for fun ?

Why are they doing this if the earth is 'awash in oil', as Alex Jones puts it? Why don't they drill in some easier place? The abiotic theory says that oil is everywhere, if you just drill deep enough. So why not just drill anywhere? Why do any exploring at all?

Because they have to be consistent with their phony biotic theory, off course. If they began to do this, everybody would start to say that there is something fishy about the official theory of oil origin.

And much more than that, as I already said, they organize the shortage of oil. They want to maintain the prices of oil at high levels in order to make mega profits.

And about Middle-East, because oil companies are entirely controlled by jews. Thus, the leading staff of this companies is not going to reveal this kind of "little" secrets.

Oil is a liquid, and is under the influence of gravity, so I am not surprised that it might be found deep in the earth, even though it may have been formed at the surface.

There is also a problem of pressure. And a problem of permeability of the rocks.

Otherwise, the ocean should have sunk into the earth crust a long time ago.

And if you go there, the official theory should also be false.

I am not saying that abiotic formation of oil is incorrect. I don't really know, and maybe don't care.

You don't care about such an important question, and on a forum where people question the reality of atomic bombs and many other topics ? Quite strange.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

They want to maintain the prices of oil at high levels in order to make mega profits.

Otherwise, the ocean should have sunk into the earth crust a long time ago.

A highest price is not necessarily the highest profit. There's more profits in fast food than in up scale restaurants, for one example.

maybe the earth is hollow? Anyway, when those guys were drilling a gas well near to my place, at a certain depth, they hit salt water. I forget how far down that was. They said that they always hit salt water at that certain depth. So maybe the oceans have soaked into the crust. I don't know. It is about 160 miles to the ocean. Where did the salt water come from?

One man told me that the well was 22,000 feet deep. The didn't hit any oil. Why not? There are a lot of really deep wells that have been drilled, and there was no oil. Maybe no anything. From what I've read by the abiotic oil people, you can poke a hole anywhere on earth and hit oil, if you just go deep enough.

I tend to believe in the other direction: I think there is much less oil than what the oil companies and governments let on that there is.

[voerioc]

I forgot one crucial argument about abiotic oil and coal.

There are heavy metals found in much greater concentrations in oil and coal than in plants.

Let's analyze the case of vanadium. Oil contains usually 100 ppm of vanadium. Some heavy ones contain up to 400 ppm of it (0,04 %). Oil from Venezuela contains the biggest quantities of it : 1000 ppm.

The problem is that in plants you have much smaller concentrations of vanadium. For example vegetables contains only 0.000004 % of vanadium (0,04 ppm) : 2.500 times less than in average oils and 10.000 times less than in heavy oils. In fruits, it's 0,023 ppm.

So, it is clear that oil can't come from plants, since the concentrations of vanadium in them are ridiculous compared to those in oil.

But, of course, in the depths of Earth crust, there are huge concentrations of vanadium (and other heavy metals). So, those great concentrations of vanadium are way more consistent with an abiotic origin of oil.

In coal, there is only an average concentration of 30-40 ppm : approximately 800 times more than in plants. It's 3 times less than in oil. But there is an average concentration of water of 40 % in coal. And peat is often considered as a kind of coal, while it's not the case. Thus, without that, the average concentration of vanadium in coal would probably not be far from the one in oil.


Another chemical compound found in great quantities in oil and coal is sulfur.

In wood coal, there is less than 0,03 % of sulfur. Thus, in wood, there must be even less of it (since it contains more water).

In lignite, there is between 2 and 5 % of sulfur, so 100 times more than in wood coal. Oil usually has a concentration of sulfur of 0,5 and 2 %.

Where does come from all this sulfur, if lignite and oil have been formed from wood?

But, once again, if it comes from the depths of earth, where there is plenty of sulfur, all this becomes very logical.

And you find other heavy metals in oil and coal, like nickel, lead, arsenical, cadmium, quicksilver, etc, etc…

[voerioc]

Anyway, when those guys were drilling a gas well near to my place, at a certain depth, they hit salt water. I forget how far down that was. They said that they always hit salt water at that certain depth. So maybe the oceans have soaked into the crust. I don't know. It is about 160 miles to the ocean. Where did the salt water come from?

One man told me that the well was 22,000 feet deep. The didn't hit any oil. Why not? There are a lot of really deep wells that have been drilled, and there was no oil. Maybe no anything. From what I've read by the abiotic oil people, you can poke a hole anywhere on earth and hit oil, if you just go deep enough.

I tend to believe in the other direction: I think there is much less oil than what the oil companies and governments let on that there is.

This is because they don't dig in the right places. They use the official theory to search oil, so they have a success rate of 1/27. Russians used to believe to the abiotic theory. They had a success rate of 60 %.

Oil is more easily found in places where there are fractures in the Earth crust, for example in areas where there are often earthquakes. If you dig in places where there is deep layers of sediments and no fractures in the crystalline rock, and if most of the time you don't dig far, as do western oil companies, your success rate will be only 1/27.

And about deep drilling in the USA, near 1999, the average deepest oil wells were 7500 feet deep. The deepest were about 14.000 feet deep. So your story about a well with a depth of 22.000 feet near the place you live sounds a little bit incredible.

[rerevisionist]

@voerioc - I'm not sure you're on strong ground when you look at chemical compostion of oil. There are various 'contaminants' in oil, including insoluble sludge etc, but also soluble compounds. However it's hard to find analyses - they're only interested in getting them out; I'm not sure they bother with the actual chemistry of contaminants. However, common sense suggets the sulphur, vanadium etc must be in dissolved compounds, or they'd just filter them out.

However vanadium (and nickel and zinc - think of nickel carbonyl and zinc carbonyl) and lead (as in lead tetraethyl) all form organometallic compounds, as can iron and magnesium. (Google vanadium organometallic chemistry for a recent Japanese paper on vanadium). Sulphur can replace carbon atom(s) in benzene ring structures. So all these things are 'soluble' and given a long time, pressure, and temperature in contact with relevent minerals could presumably be absorbed if the conditions are right.

To add to the general complication, the processors add things like salt (by mistake), organic chlorides, methanol for various handling reasons.

Anyway, even if oil were formed from plants only near the surface, presumably it could percolate down through to deeper rocks.

On coal, a partly-online handbook on Coal Analysis groups together beryllium, chromium, copper, lead, manganese, molybdenum, nickel, vanadium, and zinc as 'less common' than calcium, iron, magnesium, and 'silicates' in coal. Maybe vanadium deposits are sometimes found next to both coal and oil?

[voerioc]

@rerevisionist,

Excellent remark.

However, the problem is that you have an average of 100 ppm of vanadium in soils. In the USA, it's 60 ppm. But it can be as low as 7 ppm. And the maximum is 500 ppm. So, as in heavy oils the proportion of vanadium is 400 ppm, in most places with heavy oils, the concentration of vanadium in oil would be superior to the concentration in the ground. Impossible. The greatest concentration of vanadium in oil being in the one from Venezuela : 1000 ppm. You don't have any soil having such a proportion of vanadium. So, once again, it's impossible. But it's perfectly normal if oil comes from the Earth mantle, where vanadium is abundant.

And coal is not supposed to have traveled across the sedimentary layers. Wood and plants are supposed to have stayed there during their transformation into coal. So, even if you think that for oil, there has been a mixing with the sedimentary layers which has led to an increase of vanadium concentration, it can't be the case for coal.

But coal has an average concentration of 35 ppm of vanadium, 800 times more than in plants. So, it can't come from soils, it can't come from plants. The only solution is that coal is in fact dried oil and then also comes from the earth mantle.

And for sulfur, soils have a concentration of it of only 0,1 to 0,5 %. But in lignite, there is between 2 and 5 % of sulfur, and for oil usually it's between 0,5 and 2 %.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

This is because they don't dig in the right places. They use the official theory to search oil, so they have a success rate of 1/27. Russians used to believe to the abiotic theory. They had a success rate of 60 %.

The USA produces more oil than Russia.

[rerevisionist]

voerioc - it's possible they know perfectly well that something is incorrect, but prefer to let the story run, so other people waste their time.

[FirstClassSkeptic]

Jew Velokovsky had the theory that oil was deposited by a comet. The comet's tail was hydrocarbon, and the earth went through it. So all we need to do is wait for another close brush with a comet. Of course, it might wipe most of humanity off of the fact of the earth, but, eh, so what.