Gordon Brown Humiliates Our Queen!!!
HM the Queen forced to break Coronation Oath by Gordon Brown
Less than a week ago the press reported that members of Parliament will no longer have to swear allegiance to the Queen under constitutional reforms put forward by one of Gordon Brown's closest advisers.
We were told that a report produced by the Prime Minister's special adviser Michael Jacobs, would turn the British into "citizens," rather than "subjects," and could even spell the end for our national anthem.
Shock, horror all round! The Queen will be furious we were told! (More detail here)
But before you join the chorus of outrage, realise this, all is not what it appears, and this story is little more than a red herring circulated to draw attention away from an even bigger betrayal - the ratification of the Lisbon Treaty by Gordon Brown!
You see, under the terms of this infamous ‘Treaty' ,we will indeed be citizens not subjects. MP's will not need to sign an oath of allegiance to the Crown, for the simple reason that their oath of allegiance will be required by the European Union, and its President (who could even , God forbid, turn out to be Tony Blair). The National Anthem will become ‘Ode to Joy', the anthem of the EU! There will be no place for ‘God Save the Queen' in our remote province of the EU's 4th Reich!
Oh and as John Major foretold after signing the Maastricht Treaty, ‘our Queen' will be no more than a EU citizen, just like you and I!!!
And make no mistake about it, this is exactly what Gordon Brown, along with his Westminster cronies did when they voted for and then ratified the treaty of Lisbon.
The ratification process itself was completed under a cloak of secrecy, and only made public 24 hours after the covert ceremony had taken place. Mr Brown was that fearful!
Gordon Brown took the instrument of ratification to the Palace, and stood over Her as she signed the document. Because Mr Brown had signed the treaty, she was obliged to follow suit. To have done otherwise would have played into the hands of our treacherous politicians who only wait for an excuse to remove the style as well as the substance from the British Crown!
We can only imagine the humiliation the Queen must have felt as she put her signature on this document, under the cold gaze of this man. No doubt she remembered all too well what she had promised to at Her Coronation: ‘to govern us according to our laws and customs', and here she was, 55 years later, being forced to break that oath!
Immediately after the Prime Minister had obtained the Queen's signature, the document was flown in a diplomatic bag to Rome and delivered to the Italian Foreign Ministry at noon on Wednesday.
We at the BNP hope that you are not only outraged at this abuse of our Queen, who surely, has done nothing to warrant this shameful treatment at the hands of political pygmies (how she must have wished for another Churchill to have turned to), but remember what has been done both to our Queen, and our beloved Britain by those entrusted with protecting both!
Come and join us, lend us your support, but please, please, do not ever vote again for any of the Westminster politicians who are party to this monumental betrayal!
The BNP is now the only national political party that promises to take us out of the EU, to restore our sovereignty, and to restore our Queen to her rightful position!
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HM the Queen forced to break Coronation Oath by Gordon Brown
And the armed forces and police ? I can't imagine many of our soldiers being too keen to pledge allegiance to Frau Merkel or El Presidente Blair.
What evil times we live in. Who would have thought that the institutions that cost so much British blood could be, illegally, dismantled by a rag-tag “parliament” packed to the gills with foreigners and marxists.
Gordon Brown, you wicked traitor!
I hope the hinges on Traitors Gate are in good condition, because we now have quite a list for the Tower. Someone get the can of WD40.
And the turkeys will still keep voting for Christmas.
Presumably this means that Catholics will at last be able to hold high office.
One day we may just get a Prime Minister who belives in the family, fatherhood, responsibility & discipline and Britishness. Someone who understands the threat of Islam and will act upon it.
It will take someone like that to rid us of the liberal curse and sweep away political correctness.
He may also clear out the Common Purpose fifth columnists and restore democracy.
How craftily and secretly the Misgovernment has conspired to get us to this point. First by inflicting an unelected non-English prime minister on the country, then denying us a referendum on the Lisbon treaty, followed up by dismissing all legal challenges to their treason and now sneaking into the queen's apartments and forcing her to sign this illegal piece of paper and subsequently rushing it into the hands of the enemy without a by-your-leave asked of any of the interested parties. The next thing you know they'll be knocking up a guillotine in Parliament Square and getting the old-timers from Southwark Pensioners Action Group to set up a knitting section. Maxi-Gordon Brown-pierre should remember that many of those who trusted to the guillotine's blade to empower themselves were rewarded by the chop themselves and this attempt at cutting off Britannia's symbolic head will have real consequences.
If the Queen had anything about her, she would not have given the treaty Royal assent in the first place !!!!! If only she had refused, she would have had the backing of a country that is against the EU and all it stands for. Brown and his government would have been a laughing stock and his shady-corrupt government would be finished. If she had only had the fire to say no, the referendum issue would have been brought back into question and Common Purpose could have been at last defeated.
Shame on the Queen !!!
Of course this presupposes that our ‘wonderful' Queen really cares for us, her subjects. What Brown and his friends have done is the darkest treachery, but to the people, not to some unelected figurehead.
The Labour party have well and truly knocked the “great” off our Britain!
“Our Queen” cares nothing for us at all, if she did then she wouldnt have allowed “her subjects” to be treated the way we have for so long. Plus our national anthem is one of the worst there is and I'm ashamed everytime I hear it.
The Queen is complicit in the treachery. She signed off the previous treaties and made it clear she would sign off the final treaty - the EU Constitution by another name. She has the power to dissolve Parliament and she had the power to refuse to sign this document. If it caused a constitutional crisis, then so be it. She has an army of constitutional advisers to whom she could have turned but she chose to ignore the will of the people and surrendered our sovereignty, of which she is the embodiment not the owner, to unelected foreigners in a foreign land. Furthermore, she signed it after the Irish had rejected the treaty in their referendum, which made the treaty legally dead in the water. Future historians will not look upon this treachery kindly. I have been a loyal Monarchist all my life. I even served in one of her Guards regiments - sworn to defend her life with mine - but, having my loyalty betrayed, I can no longer regard myself as such. As an aside - I associate with serving soldiers and every one of them has said they will never swear an oath of allegiance to the EU.
There is so little to believe in or respect in England any more - we must look to ourselves and the BNP for that self pride and decency.
Brown is a total embarrassment and a traitor to this, OUR COUNTRY! Brown bears a passing resemblance to the late Tony Hancock, but without an ounce of humour!!!
……….. Let's not forget the other traitor, Bliar, who spent his 10 years in power preparing the way for the final betrayal. -Ed
I'm pleased to see comments casting the queen as complicit in this rape of our land an constitution.I have always had a problem with this family of freeloaders and the fact that they regard me as subject to them. So I never have felt the need to swear allegiance to this inbred crowd or foreigners. But then the question arises. To whom should we as a nation pledge our lives. An elected president. No way. We should pledge our lives to our blood and soil, thats who we are and where we reside. Every thing else is an aside. - Are there no pro-monarchy types around here? ;-) - Ed
I must say your photograph of Brown and out seems to present him as a cold sneering vicious nasty piece of work - and of course this is totally accurate. I also particulary like the one of Camoron looking like a simpleton with his hair standing up on end - perhaps Excalibur could create a pack of BNP playing cards with these clowns pictures on them - it could be a money spinner.
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There would have to be too many jokers in the pack. -Ed
Ed, you ask if there are any pro-monarchy types around here.
I used to be very pro-monarchy, but do not have that same level of zeal in me now. The Queen has it within her power to disband Parliament and to say ‘No' to this government. Her advisers must have been aware of the Irish rejection of this Treaty, and they must have known that a legal challenge to it was still going through the courts. She has wilfully signed a document that her 'subjects' were promised a say on, but were ultimately denied.
She, and her family, have no financial worries, unlike the rest of us. When one can sit back in one of many of one's castles, secure in the knowledge that your land and possessions secure your future, you can sign a document without a care in the world.
And that is why I am now definately disillusioned in our monarchy. If she does not have the backbone to stand up for her subjects then neither should she expect to receive respect from those same subjects.
http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?d This link will open your eyes. The late film producer Aaron Russo gives us the inside info on why we are in so much danger. The queen and the Royal family are simply tools in the game… what a dangerous game. He was recruited by Rockefella, only he could not go through with it.
God save the Queen. She is our totem, our figurehead and I personally think she has done a great job during her reign. I feel that her hands are tied and an element of coercion is about. I have no time for the hangers on though, like Andrew and that sorry excuse for a man Edward and the like. I would rather see the Monarch have full power over our country than the (expletive deleted)shambles that run it now. Hey, if that was so, we might even see the likes of Bliar and Gordon Frown take their positions in the the tower! Ah, one can dream!!
How anyone could apply the word honorable to this creep astounds me. This heathen is completely devoid of all human emotion. When you promise someone something then the right and proper thing to do is deliver, it's the BRITISH thing to do. You don't duck and dive and add insult to injury by treating people with utter contempt by insulting their intelligence. Brown, I have a deep loathing of you not just your politics which are killing countless people daily. But your general arrogance I find most insulting, I long for judgement day Brown, at least you'll be heard unlike the British public you're selling down the river you bloody traitor. I'd just like to say a big thank you to all you Labour voting halfwits for helping Brown in his treachery, if you utter clowns had a brain you'd be dangerous, go and have a lie down you bunch of cretins.
….. So anyway, Maurice - what do you think of Brown? -Ed ;~)
The Queen is an old lady who Brown, Bliar and the Labour filth have repeatedly bullied and discredited over recent years, if the Queen was younger or we had a king this would not be happening! I think it's time she made way and let one of the youngsters take over, I can't see brown doing the same thing to young Harry!
I am on the fence on that one ED. eh eh,
…. Good idea, M - I should hate for you to get a visit from the Midnight-Snatch-Squad. -Ed
Let us not forget, those of us who know of and understand how and why the Royal family and other Royals came to be upon the Civil List. That these people gave up their estates, a great deal of other land, and several other things, to the Government, simply to be upon the Civil List so as to receive an annual pension from the state. At the time the then Government jumped at the opportunity, and have made a great deal more money from these than they ever paid out to these so called “hangers on.” The only problem to arise from this was for the Royals to lose all the power they then had. Now, too many people do not know or understand how this situation came about, and simply moan and critisise something that they simply do not understand, or want to understand. If the Royals, or those that are left were to take back what they gave, and told the Government where to stick it's Civil List, the country as a whole would be the loser.
As was mentioned, who would want an elected President? Remember, we could get another Blair, Brown, or another Red Czar that we really didn't want. Remember the old saying “better the devil we know.”
…. The whole point is - we will no longer have the devil we know once the Treaty kicks in. We will have a Bliar, Brown or any other Red Czar, and unelected at that! -Ed
Firstly, please remember that the Queen is a Constitutional Monarch only. She does not have any real power. Secondly and much more important, when somebody swears allegiance to the Queen, they are in reality, swearing allegience to Great Britain, its Constitution and Heritage, which the Queen represents. Thirdly, it will therefore be impossible to swear allegiance to the Queen, Great Britain etc. because as indicated, when the EU Constitution takes effect, that would be a contradiction in terms.
Therefore, the most Important thing for all who read this site, maybe for the first time and become supporters, is to remember that it will be soon be impossible to have a political party called the British National Party - as there will no longer be a British Nation! This will mean that by definition, it would be an anomaly for a British National Party Member to sit in the Brussels' Parliament, there being no British Nation (as far as Brussels is concerned anyway) for a BNP Member to represent. No more dithering! Support is needed NOW!!!
Finally, could we look at the NO2ID site.They have formulated a pledge form which they are asking supporters to sign, confirming that they will have no part of any ID Card and everything which goes with it. This is quite cheap, and therefore I wonder if The BNP could come up with a similar idea, but this time with regard to The EU, which we all know is at the heart, one way or another, of all our problems.
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There'll always be a British Nation whiskyindia and a British National Party to keep it that way - Ed
I felt not only angry but tearfull when l read this. How can this be happening to us? and why has this country just sat back and allowed our identity and security to be handed over to these creeps, after fighting two world wars in order to preserve everything that we hold dear. What did our soldiers die for?
Personally speaking I feel that whether an individual is a monarchist or not is irrelevant.
The Queen at the moment is our ceremonial Head of State and Brown an elected Prime Minister who is going far beyond the mandate given to him and his Marxist Party.
Brown's motivation is all about submitting our nation, to the dictates of the EU, in preparation for the United States of Europe, which is the eventual goal.
Today, while Brown is off in Israel, showing his Christian Zionist credentials and commiting us to a possible Armaggedon scenario against Iran, the French President is planning to go and bully and harangue the Irish.
The EU, its plans, intentions and modus operandii, stink.
Meanwhile, the nationalistic aspirations of French and Dutch Belgiums are unzipping that country. There is a signal there surely?
…. Brown is not an elected Prime Minister, which compounds the treachery - especially as his party were elected on their manifesto promise of a referendum. We should be asking by what right can he sign away permanently the powers he holds only temporarily - unelected or otherwise? -Ed
I'm with andyk,sharpy,lickyalips,baz,tetleyteaman,stephen tolkinghorne,and agentiron on this one. If anyone's in a position of power to at least force a vote of no confidence in this evil government it is the queen, she is actually cutting hers and her own families throats by what she has treacherously done. It makes you wonder if she and her family are not in with these Bilderbergers or what ever they are called, IS SHE??. This is the same woman who is supposed to be our DEFENDER OF THE FAITH, and who has she employed in the palace MUSLIMS and set aside a special place for them to praise Satan. Would they allow us to worship next to the Ayatollah? She is allowing them to invade and take over her realm; we need to pension her off and find a younger male in the family who is of the same opinion as all us true Brits and hopefully, in the future, restore our loyalty to the Crown.
Instead of a president or a hereditary monarch, we could have an elected monarchy as in Rome before the Republic or the Holy Roman Empire whose emperor was elected by the prince-electors. More in keeping with British history the Ri or King was elected to rule clan lands in Ireland and the Ard Ri or High King was chosen from amongst these provincial kings. Anglo-Saxon England had its Witenagemot (Council of Wise Men) which, although ostensibly under the thumb of the king, had singular power to “ceosan to cyninge” (choose the king), although gradually the system of primogeniture came to predominate. We could simply revert to our origins and have a referendum on who should be our constitutional king or queen, without anything being a foregone conclusion. Of course, life expectancy was much lower in those days so perhaps we should limit the time spent sitting on the throne to some reasonable time with a pension thereafter, as that's what they seem to like. If the monarch proves unsuitable, we could write in a clause for deposition. Although not a really convinced royalist, I think after all I would prefer a member of the Royal Family to any of the other candidates I see flitting through my mind.
Nu-Labor must stand trial for treason - all of them. I think that “No citizenship for traitors” is a good policy and we ought to literally strip them of all their wealth and banish them. I know that there are a lot of folk on this page who would disagree and look for a more permanent solution. I'll go with the flow
Ed.
I agree wholeheartedly with your comments. Slip of the typing finger, I'm afraid, when I called Brown, “elected”. Certainly his Marxist Party was elected but had Brown called an election when he thought he was riding high, neither he or his party would be in office now.
The fact that he is unelected does compound the crime he is perpertrating. NO political party has been given a mandate by the people to give away our sovereignty. I personally feel that it is a question that shouldn't even be asked.
Our liberty has been hard won both against tyrants in this country and abroad. I wonder if Churchill was around today whether he would describe the EU as a collection of “pumpernickel” states, as he once referred to Germany during WW2.
I hopes the same fate befalls Stalin Brown as that which befell Oliver Cromwell. I for one will rejoice in that outcome.
As I have said before, the Queen is part of the NEW WORLD ORDER, THE COMMITTEE OF 300, THE BILDERBERGERS, THE GLOBAL ELITE.
Prince Charles goes to the Bilderbergers meetings on the Queen's behalf,
TRAITORS THE LOT OF THEM.
If the queen had called we would have answered her call to arms! She still has the people behind her although our respect is diminishing!! One word from her would stop all this nonsense!! Let's get the traitors in court. We have a fair list of them.
I am enlarging that picture of Brown, printing it out and putting it on my door! I wont get burglers or canvassers; they will run like hell thinking its the dog. One vile looking man. I daren't let the wife or kids look at it they will have nightmares! LOL - BNP 4 me.
The Queen seems ready to put up with any amount of humiliation in order to keep her job above the shop: the sale of Britannia, refusal of funds to restore Buck House, Cherry Bliar's visible contempt for her (cavernous mouth, shark jaws wide as she yawned at the Queen's back)and her refusal to curtsey, although happy to bow and scrape to muslim royalty, Brown bypassing the Queen's role at the opening of Parliament by announcing policy in advance, and even HM Land Registry is these days simply “Land Registry.
The Queen has put up with all this and more, simply to hang on. She hang us all so that she may hang on.
The Queen has the power to refuse to sign any parliamentary bill. She can dissolve Parliament and must approve the choice of Prime Minister. She can force an election.
She has done none of the above. She has betrayed her coronation oath. The “contract between king and people” has been broken.
All to keep that job above the shop.
petesaxon 11.59. Did you ever see an attactive picture of our Chairman in a mainstream rag? They plough through thousands to find the one they use. With us and Brown, the task is much easier. He is an unattractive, nail bitten, tub of lard to start with.
The Queen & Co are devoid of any compassion for us lesser mortals,
Prince Philip has stated before that he would like to come back as a virus and rid the earth of over 5 billion humans.
One thing occurs to me. Can those who have already Sworn Allegience to The Queen, and there are many, be asked(told) to renage on that Oath of Allegience? I think not and I feel it may be against the present British Law to be told to renage on that oath. I would be interested to know what others may think.
……….. There is an argument that, because the Treaty has been approved by the Queen, she has abrogated her responsibilities and transferred them to a higher power, (the EU). As the ‘higher power' has, in effect, taken over her role, then the oaths of allegiance to her are transferred by default and with her approval. Of course, this is unconstitutional and unlawful, but, as this whole EU episode has shown us time after time, they seem to have no regard for our ancient laws and if the Queen can disregard them, there is no legal path we can follow to seek redress of grievance. -Ed
Someone stated that the Royals on the Civil List gave up lands and estates for a pension on the list. I am no Commie believing all private property is theft but how did they get ownership in the first place? I'm certain that they didn't pay the previous owner the going rate!!! As for Broon humiliating the Queen; well he treats the electorate as stupid retards. He obviously thinks that he is the Prime Being not Prime Minister.
And I do declare that no foreign prince, person, prelate, state or potentate hath or ought to have any jurisdiction, power, superiority, pre-eminence or authority, ecclesiastical or spiritual, within this realm. So help me God.
As a Constitutional Monarch, the Queen is supposed to uphold the British Constitution, embodied in the great documents of state, including Magna Carta 1215 and those that stem from the Glorious Revolution of 1688 under William III of Orange; Act of Settlement, Bill of Rights etc.
Parliament is pledged to support her in this respect, through its senior peers. That is where her power lies.
This constitutional position is personified in the Coronation Oath, whereby with one hand on the Bible, HM pledges to uphold the laws and customs of this realm, the Protestant Reformed religion established by law and the true profession of the Gospel. Unfortunately, the Oath was tampered with in 1910, to remove the clause whereby the monarch is supposed to disavow the Catholic mass, in accordance with Article 31 of the Church of England's 39 Articles of Religion. Spiritualist and creator of Sherlock Holmes, Conan Doyle, was implicated in the tampering with the Oath. HM's current constitutional position is therefore weakened but that of Britain's overall Monarch is not, which is one reason, I believe, why Britain became embroiled in WW1 a mere 4 years after the Oath was corrupted. God is not mocked, Galatians 6:7, 8.
But even in its present attenuated form, the Oath is sufficient to outlaw Britain's EU membership, the presence of Islam here and the scourge of m'cism. A return to the unblemished Oath would simply serve to strengthen that basic constitutional position.
So in sum, you can see how the whole human governing establishment of Great Britain is rotten with treason to the core, through and through. Despite criticism voiced above about Oliver Cromwell, the country really needs someone like him, or another William III of Orange, to resolve the current constitutional shambles. I believe HM should then be allowed to abdicate (like her uncle, Edward VIII, maybe she and her family could retire to the Bahamas). Brown, Blair and co. (i.e. all the ‘old gang' pro-EU/Islam/multi-culti political crooks) could be given a choice:
Either accept permanent, unbroken banishment from these shores for the term of their natural lives (maybe George W. Bush would let them settle on his ranch, in a kind of reservation), or be conducted under guard through Traitors' Gate, with all the implications of such.
Would the Party be committed to carrying out the above, or the best practicable equivalent, on coming to power (I realise certain practical difficulties would exist)?
“The BNP is now the only national political party that promises to take us out of the EU, to restore our sovereignty, and to restore our Queen to her rightful position!” If, upon the BNP's coming to power, the Queen (should she still be alive), or her useless progeny and their playboy princes and princesses, are restored to their “rightful” positions, I shall quit the BNP. As plenty of other posts have pointed out, with greater articulacy than I am capable of (and as I have been consistently stating since I first began to write in to the BNP's site 5 years ago), the Queen herself is guilty of the highest treason, for she has been steadfast in one thing only:- the betrayal of her coronation oath of and of her People. Had she any guts at all (but how could she, descendent of jacked-in-place muddy Hanoverian princelings), she would have forced a constitutional crisis, ‘gone to the country', as it were, and sought the backing of the vast majority of her subjects who would have supported her and chucked out our traitorous government. Had she any moral integrity at all, she would have refused to sign any of the 5 treaties she has signed without any appearence of distress, 5 treaties which have stripped her People of their freedom, but left the Queen's and her family's private fortunes and fairy-tale lifestyles very firmly in place. I am perfectly serious:- if upon our coming to power I am still alive, and the BNP does not make the Queen answer for her treachery, or strip her foul brood of their constitutional privileges, I for one shall resign from the Party in absolute disgust.
“I think after all I would prefer a member of the Royal Family to any of the other candidates I see flitting through my mind.”
I agree with Sheriff, there's no no point in having a constitutional long-stop who never even tries to catch the ball. But history shows that we are a monarchical people. The short lived English(later British) Republic of the mid 17th century only happened because no member of the ruling family would take on the role of king after the execution of Charles I. Of course ultimately we did change dynasty through the 1688 Revolution and the accession of the Hanoverians in 1714.
Maybe the royal princes would be more promising. The present Queen will not reign forever; there must be grave doubts about Prince Charles. He doesn't bear a lucky name. Charles I and II did not do well by the nation- one precipated a civil war, and the other tried to sell us out to the French by a secret treaty(Dover 1670). What's new?
Those MPs who swore their oath of allegiance to the Queen but were secretly (or openly republican) are typical of the Marxist hypocrites who have infested the House of Criminals.
They are now finally getting their way and are further towards their objective of the abolition of the monarchy. For those who are expressing anti-monarchy views, may I suggest the following.
Firstly, while it is true that some members of the Royal Family have not behaved in the way that is expected of them, it would be foolish to condemn the entire institution of monarchy, either now or in the future. The reason is, is that all nations need a focus for their loyalty. In America it is the American flag. In Britain the focus is (or used to be) monarch, not some inanimate object.
Support for the monarchy would be much stronger today if the Queen had not been gradually stripped of her prerogatives and was able to provide one of the necessary checks against an increasingly authoritarian parliament.
The Commons has totally corrupted and politicised the House of Lords, thus removing yet another element of the checks and balances that kept the extremists at bay in Westminster. By removing the historical oath of allegiance to the Queen, the final pieces are being put in place to completely subsume our nation to the will of foreigners, unopposed. Thus taking us further along the road towards a marxist-style totalitarian state.
@ Alanorei
I ought to clarify my ambiguous last line. By “he” I meant Gordon Brown not Cromwell. I think I'm more of a Roundhead than a Cavalier but against any form of tyranny whether royal or plebeian.
We are in the most bloody awful fix, nothing so bad since the Norman Conquest. Our economic means of existence has been very largely destroyed; the enemy is within the gates; our whole future as a people lies hanging in the balance. It is that stark.
If it should fall out that Nick Griffin is another Cromwell, who was no tyrant but the most honest patriot who ever lived, and the Party latter day “Ironsides” I would be over the moon quite honestly; fate would have made an excellent choice.
Just look at the picture of Britain's most hated traitor at the top of this page. The look says it all; utter hatred and contempt is written deep in the his ‘orrible face. That hatred and contempt is for the indigenous British people and especially the English, who have never voted him in, but will sure as hell vote him out.
It is a tragedy that the man they will vote in to replace him, will be almost as bad and could be worse. Let's hope that the BNP can become stRong enough to keep Cameron under control until we achieve power.
I can really see a football stadium standing to sing the EU anthem. Well spotted Sponge-Gordon Brown-Pants. I can also really see the Welsh abandoning Mae Hen Wlad Fy Nhadau for an EU chant at rugby matches. How thick can this Paedophile enabler and his party of losers last. I can't wait until the results are in from Glasgow. It's over, New Labour and you know that's true.
What has gone on is treason and I shall be telling my MP that, for what good it will do. We have to somehow let the general public know what has gone on and what is at stake. I for one am a subject of the Queen and not a citizen of Europe although Her Majesty does not deserve my loyalty as she completely ignores my complaints about the EU etc. The last time I wrote to her it was to ask for a referendum on the EU constitution, a fat lot of good that did me.
Does anyone want a cheap trip to Poland? Then come to Doncaster there are Polish cafes newspapers and Polish supermarkets. Why go abroad when you can see it and buy it all here. Everywhere you look there are left hand drive cars with PL on them. So come to Doncaster the new Warsaw.
I am utterly disgusted with this news. I cannot imagine what my grand-father, God rest his soul, would have thought, he who fought valiantly for our British liberties and would stand to attention whenever the Queen spoke on Christmas Day. I might say that a comment above ‘Shame on the Queen' I feel is inappropriate, what do we know of her opinions, and the flipside being what does she know of her subjects - answer - exactly what she is told and who tells her? The monarchy is and for me always shall be an institution that is beyond reproach, don't lets forget that the treachery is that of the politicians, manipulating our royalty. We must remain positive in the belief that one day these current traitors shall be called to account.
I have to agree with the anti-Monarchists here. Monarchy may have had a place where hardly anyone was educated, and the landed aristocracy presided over a rather simple economy. But after a couple of centuries of science and technology, the landed gentry are (apart from a few lucky ones - the Duke of Westminster, for example) largely unimportant, as of course is another obsolete organisation, the C of E. Some people say that an elected head of state is a disaster, because half the people don't like him/her; but - on lines made famous by Tom Paine - monarchy has huge disadvantages, such as the possibility of a dud being around for decades. In my view we have such a queen. My heart goes out to people like perryman, whose belief is as touching, and as inappropriate, as those elderly people who think Nu Labour is the ‘working man's party' and the conservatives a basically decent bunch of sound Brtons.
Perryman - regarding my comment ‘Shame on the Queen”. She had the choice to protect those who have fought for her and paid to keep and her family and herself in luxury forever, or to sell them and eventually herself and family down the river. She chose the latter.
I think I'm been quite polite in saying ….
‘Shame on the Queen'
On joining the RAF,I swore an oath to the Queen,and everything that goes with it.After all the EU.Treaties that she has signed,under duress or not,I feel that she has lost the right to be head of state.She has betrayed this Country,its People and all her coronation oaths.Maybe when the Lisbon Treaty comes into full force and we are fully intergrated within the EU,life may not be too bad,if you are prepared to keep your head down,and do as you are told all of the time.But remember,you don't know what freedom is untill it goes missing,and as Orwell put it,'imagine a jackboot stamping on a human face-FOREVER'.
Grumpygit 5:20 pm
I would suggest that, having just attended a speech by a member of the House of Lords (who was against the Treaty of Lisbon) and hearing details of what the constitutional arrangements mean, that the Queen and the Royal family as a constitutional monarchy are finished.
It is simply amazing that her forebears, who fought so hard to keep their crown and defend their nation, should be succeeded by such a non-entity as the current Monarch and who can consign their lineage and proud sovereign country into servitude of the Marxist EU super-state. The problem is that her off-spring, and in turn their descendants, are of equally poor quality; hence, we could not have depended upon such a formerly revered institution to protect us as they themselves were not up to the task.
The question is ‘what form of institution do we want as and when Britain finally frees itself from the EU super-state' ? Either way, it seems almost certain that we have seen the last of a constitutional monarchy in Britain. But in this case it was the monarchy who destroyed themselves by their own hand - not some bloody revolution, as happened on the continent.
It amazes me how anyone on this site could contemplate President Brown. That is what the alternative is to HM the Queen. When anyone swears an oath to the Queen they are in fact swearing an oath to you and me and all the people within the realm. That is what the Monarch is, Head of State. As for her powers; if both houses pass a bill then Royal Assent must be granted by constitutional law. She has no way of stopping this attack on our country short of a repeat of the civil war. She cannot retire; she is lumbered with the job until she dies. Charles will be king as this is also constitutional law. If you like, the termites on Westminster hill have her in the same position as they have the rest of us. As for the photo of the Fuhrer Brown, why do I keep expecting him to say, “I'm gonna make you an offer you can't refuse”, in a Sicilian accent?
It is indeed about time something like this happened. The Queen has done nothing for this country whatsoever, other than sit on her useless and exceptionally un-British behind. Of German decent I believe originally? A Monarch should be no longer required in today's modern Britain. I don't think that anyone should be in question of its “irrevocable effects” on Britain as a nation. The anthem is a badly composed and terribly old fashioned piece of rubbish quickly conjured many years ago from the strands of many other traditional pieces of music that were mainly of Nordic origin. I think its time for a change don't you? Haha, well obviously not. I find it considerably amusing that Gordon Brown could humiliate anyone with a face like his, he's always looked like he has liver problems or perhaps an ill-controlled heroin addiction :)
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In spite of her ancestry, I do believe HM is far more British than most of the traitors in Parliament could ever claim to be - Ed
What an absolute disgrace. I am in NO doubt people, TREASON is afoot. Make NO mistake the Queen is Treasonous and so is the entirety of Westminster. The NWO is growing stronger and a revolution is NOW required. This country is in serious trouble and will be invaded by foreign powers very soon. I suggest one prepares themselves, as you will need food supplies, protection and a strong will to gain control back from the treasonous scum and the EU despots. WE the English people will need to create an everlasting and new constitution better than the USA and one that prevents this ever happening again. But it must be written by the people for the people and not based on any one political party as this could be biased and destroy the ethos of the proud English people that we have become accustomed to. We will need to reinstate the imperial economy and weights/measures, reinstate state control of the Post Office, Telephone Network and all things that are positive English icons etc. But before all this happens and after a fair trial, we will hang all those for treason, and there are MANY. I am sick of what is happening to this country and I beleive civil unrest is very near; but still so many people are apathetic. If these people do not awake soon they will open there eyes and realise that their world is dangerously quite different.
God save us all in these dark times.
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The BNP's democratic Quiet Revolution via the ballot box is the only way to save Our Nation - Ed
I'm with perryman. Who knows what the Queen actually thinks? Personally I believe she's controlled by her many palace “advisors”. I should imagine they are a supine and treacherous bunch when push comes to shove. Baz, I definitely don't want to live in the new tomorrow that you envisage. I want my country back, with its monarchy and all it represents. The queen has conducted herself with dignity and forebearance and should not be castigated for the damnable position that is being thrust upon her. Perhaps, like us, she thinks this once great country has well and truly lost its pride and is infested with traitors determined to bring it to its knees. We have none of the constraints that beset her….let's do the fighting for her.
Sorry perryman, and everyone else who thinks that HMQ has been coerced into signing all six EUSSR treaties, but there was NO HUMILIATION of HMQ by MacBroon.
Pay attention people: read groundhog's post, 3.42 p.m. 21 July. However unpalatable it may be to many, it is the unvarnished truth. Elisabeth Sax-Coburg von Gotha is as much a Bilderberg Groupie as Brown himself, albeit that unlike her fellow Bilderberger monarch, Queen Beatrice of the Netherlands, she sends Prince Charles to the Bilderberg Group meetings as her proxy.
So far as the Queen is concerned, the unelected, irremovable Communist dictators of that part of the New World Order known as the EUSSR can have her realm and can subjugate, enslave or exterminate her former subjects however they please. The Queen will be very well rewarded indeed for her consistent treachery over the past 36 years, by the NWO conspirators, and she can retire to live in her accustomed luxury in Schloss Coburg, in the heart of her beloved EUSSR.
I am in total agreement with Askari on this issue, resolutely so. If I am still alive when a BNP government takes power, if it attempts to reinstate Koenigen Elisabeth or any of her brood, then notwithstanding that the BNP is the only non-scientific institution I have ever held in any degree of esteem and, in this case, the very highest, I too will resign my membership.
I'm sorry if this goes against the grain, but i hate republicans with venom!
I was told as a child that to hate another human being is wrong and a sin. So far, I have done my best to follow this principle. In the case of Traitor Brown I unashamedly make an exception. I hate, loathe, despise and detest that abomination of a reptile from the bottom of my heart and soul and wish him to eternal damnation in hell, where he belongs.
that would seem to cover it rather comprehensively - Ed
As alluded to by most contributors, this is a defining moment, yet I confess to being somewhat confused. Surely, her Majesty must realise the significance of what she has just signed and that all MP's who swore allegiance to the Crown are effectively asking the Queen to sign a document that is tantamount to committing treason. She herself has a case to answer, viz a viz her coronation oath to the British people.
There must be some way of seeking the Queen's views on this entire issue. If she were being coerced then a word from her would be enough to sweep Brown and his Marxist scum from office. The people would support her, the armed forces would support her and I believe the police would support her, despite the dhimmi Chief Constables. The Queen would be in a very strong position and that is what confuses me! Why has she not spoken out?
I have to ask the question: Is the monarch capable of humiliation? Because her majesty is incapable of keeping her coronation oaths, and that's a fact.
Our monarch has ignored all pleas and petitions designed to put a stop to the treachery of successive administrations at Westminster, the queen has treated we the people with distain, one may even say contempt, it would seem an oath is not an oath as far as her majesty is concerned, just a ritual with no deep significance or meaning, to be ignored at will. I never thought to see the day all the forces of the establishment would combine to turn against the people of these islands but sadly that is the case today. In 1649 a monarch lost his head because he defied the will of the people, as expressed through parliament, a parliament that was acting legally and constituently. Today the monarch has turned her head away from the people by siding with parliament, which is acting illegally and unconstitutionally, our constitution which the monarch and the MP's swore an oath to defend. My call is not for the monarch's head, but simply for the monarch to do her duty, “do that which you swore to do madam” nothing else will suffice.
As more people wake up to the treachery being enacted at Westminster, the bigger our movement and party will become.
Any uncommitted voters browsing this site would be well advised to become committed and join our party now, it is the only party committed to saving our freedom, liberty, and nation state.
Regards ED Cheshire.
I think there could be another head on Traitors gate to join Gordon Brown's, and that's the Queen's. She must surely be complicit in this treason and I just wonder what her “back-hander” will be? Cash, property, titles, a small country? To think that she is a frail old lady being bullied by the Government and her advisors is just ridiculous. She knows exactly what is going on and will keep her head down until the brown stuff has stopped hitting the fan and will quietly retire abroad - probably Germany.
The queen was given the one opportunity to stand by “her” people by refusing to sign, until the outcome of a referendum, by which she would have gained great respect. During my life time I regard this as the only time I can ever recall looking towards the monarchy for support, in this she failed. Long live the BNP. D.H Auckland.
It's striking how a neglected history can suddenly become very relevant. In a recent video Nick Griffin alluded to the disturbances in St Giles, Edinburgh in 1637. This sparked a chain of events which led to the fall of a government which had tried to impose an unpopular religious policy upon the country. The parallel today being with the Archdhimmi's advocacy for Sharia law.
Reading the differences of opinions amongst us here, some vehemently pro-monarchist and others just as firmly anti, recalls the famous Putney debate within the New Model Army during 1647; some arguing for a radical transformation in the way the country was governed, others for a conservative path. Cromwell said then that they should not be “too wedded to forms of government”. As he expressively put it, this was “dross and dung on comparison of Christ”. He was advocating a pragmatic approach in a very uncertain situation, whilst keeping his eye firmly upon the ball, which for him was the saving of the “People of God, and the People of England”.
Today we have to save the British people and I think that here again this will call for pragmatism and playing it by ear. When we do taste power we will face an horrendous situation; a wrecked economy without the capacity to earn enough foreign exchange to pay for things we must have; a nation whose identity has been deeply damaged; malignant enenies who will not simply oblige us by doing a disappearing act unfortunately.
Saving the nation will be every bit as dangerous and desperate a task as it was during the years 1641-51; and the task will be much the same in terms of halting and reversing a slide into anarchy and dissolution. These goals, and the prize of national renewal, will not be won by inflexibility and prescriptive attitudes. But in the end I believe that what we will have is what Cromwell really wanted in 1651, a settlement “with something of monarchical power in it”.
Bonnevil. She has already had the backhander. Gordon gave her a £2 million pound increase in the Civil List.
I hope Gordon Brown cries himself to sleep for the rest of his miserable life; death by a thousand sleepless nights could be far more satisfying than a quick death at the end of a BNP rope of justice. I reckon he must despair at having hesitated to call an election last year. I honestly think he would have won, be it with a vastly reduced majority. Instead, ditherer Brown failed to take advantage of the feel-good factor following the departure of Blair, who much of the public was only too glad to see the back and be rid of. Anyway, Brown to his eternal regret, fumbled the election ball and the rest as they say is history.
I have to admit to being astonished at the level of personal attacks on HM on some of the posts on this article. Chris Brown rightly pointed the finger at the real guilty villains, all to no avail. We even have some threatening to leave the Party if the Queen remains as Monarch. The Chairman can speak for himself but I would stake my life on it that Nick Griffin has absolutely no intention of asking HM to step aside. I am no archroyalist by any means but if the Queen is good enough for our Chairman, then she's good enough for me. This talk of leaving the Party if she stays on is absurd and borne out of frustration at what is happening imho.
Anyone who knows anyone in their eighties, will know that such people are very often tired, being in the twilight of their lives. She is as much a victim in all of this as we are. The notion of her standing up to these lunatic, Marxist Labour thugs (and the other suspects) is frankly, laughable. By signing this despicable treaty, she has actually managed to raise the political temperature in Her Fragmenting Disunited Kingdom to boiling point - as she would have known it would.
The BNP is winning and HM still has her head on her shoulders. How the Marxist EuroTrash must be seething with anger and frustration at it all. And then there's good old Ireland of course putting a referendum spanner in the EuroWorks. I think HM knows exactly what she is doing and after 50+ years on the throne, we cannot begin to imagine her immense political insight.
Much has been said of HM breaking her Coronation Oath. The EuroMarxists are trying to take over the country by stealth and she knows that too. Oaths can be fickle things when one's life, freedom or Country are at stake. Her Country is being stitched-up in a way never imagined and perhaps she has had to make a difficult decision in breaking that oath - and leave the way open to us to save it? I wouldn't hesitate to ‘lie on oath' thus breaking it, if the Common Purpose courts were trying to stitch-up one of our Members - as they like to try to do from time to time. Is it possible that HM is actually adhering to her Coronation Oath by seeming to break it? Just a thought.
Just an add on to Winston. Hoping Broon dies of a thousand sleepless nights. Methinks that Broon sleeps the way he always has, with his thumb in his mouth. Its more the nation's death by a thousand new taxes or laws. As for our head of state - for 65years she's been signing away our inheritance. Not once has she used her power in defence of Britain, the same power she used to topple the Australian government back in the late 60s early 70's. If one believes the conspiracies that have surfaced from European folk lore up to the likes of David Icke in the present, this royal Family seems to have been in the thick of it and done extremely well, despite the dark forces. I think that this royal Dynasty is complicit from the Day that Britian began its long journey into the third world.
Hear hear, baz, people should remember that the Royal Family like to call themselves “THE FIRM” not the upholders of the laws and freedoms we used to enjoy, and what is a firm but a group of directors out to make the most profit for themselves and their shareholders - says it all really.
I can't believe that we are not protesting on the streets to get this traitor out. He is the most hated man in Britain today.
Listen to Brian Gerrish (anti-Common Purpose campaigner) speaking to the Queen's Communications Secretary regarding an affidavit sent to the Queen by Constitution expert and anti-EU campaigner, John Harris. A summary of the situation appears on screen after the conversation has terminated. The Queen is aware of accusations of Treason, yet has not replied to the affidavit as required by law.
http://www.tpuc.org/node/281#comment-610
Interesting stuff, indeed.
Here's a handy ring-tone for all the New Labour lurkers here:
http://www.national-anthems.net/music/EE
If she's not the Queen anymore, can we have our money and properties back? Like hell we can.
The surest way to lose the faith of the electorate at large - who are starting to turn to us in ever increasing numbers - is to attack the Monarchy. They really don't trust political parties that start to whiff of republicanism, which is why the mainstream criminals censor or suppress all attacks on HM or her family.
The Royal Family and the system we have, is far from perfect but until someone comes up with something better, I'll stick with HM. Without her, we would probably already have a President Blair - our own NOT Europe's AND a President of Europe. I'm glad the Windsors are like us in a very small but significant way; fallibility. Apart from never experiencing financial hardship - which applies to many less royal and even more less loyal - they have probably suffered the trials of life like us and certainly made mistakes like us.
Europhile Michael Heseltine once warned Margaret Thatcher not to go near the Poll Tax - it would destroy her. She ignored him and it did. Attacking the Monarchy is a recipe for the same political suicide. Chris Brown had the right target in his sights with this article but Brown has managed to somehow use HM as a royal human shield in good old Saddam Hussein fashion.
She probably didn't want the job in the first place. It killed her sick father who didn't really want it either. She deserves better at her time of life imho.
Regardless of which side you take in regard to the monarchy, if the Queen is in league with, and is complicit in signing away our nation to be ruled by European law, then in my opinion she is equally as guilty as all the other conspirators who have been named and shamed on this thread.
Dear Anthony,the reason why people are not protesting on the streets is because they do not want to get their heads bashed in by PC coppers wielding bloody great extendable riot sticks,or be crushed under the hooves of a police horse,look at the heavy handed action of the government lackeys when they were protesting about the visit of warmonger Bush,over the top or what.These people have families,hopefully jobs and children to think of.We have always been kept down by brute force and government violence,look at the Tollpuddle martyrs,and the Peterloo massacre carried out on our people by our own troops,not a good advert for taking to the streets are they?No the only way is through the ballot box,no other way will work.
Winston, your assessment is very noble - however, once the EU Constitution kicks in, the Monarchy becomes redundant and the system we have and which you support will end. By definition, we cannot have dual-sovereignty - either it is embodied in our Sovereign Monarch or it isn't. Under EU law it isn't, despite your wishes to maintain the status-quo. Ask yourself this - will she be able to disband a Parliament which no longer exists because it has been replaced by Regional Assemblies under direct control from Brussels? If the answer is NO, then we should ask ‘what is she for, anymore?'
Winston - “The surest way to lose the faith of the electorate at large - who are starting to turn to us in ever increasing numbers - is to attack the Monarchy.”
There is truth in this, but there are questions that need answering and we shouldn't be afraid to ask them. And of course the Queen is an old lady now. Prince Charles, “Defender of Faiths” does not ring any bells for me. As I said above, Monarchs of that name have not done well by the nation.
I'm no monarchist and certainly do not harbour the slightest affection or respect for the institution of monarchy.
I do however agree with Winston. Go down the anti-monarchist line and immediately the votes of otherwise nationalist people will go to the “established” parties.
I cannot believe how some of the comments on this story have increased in stridency.
Some comments make me, a life long and committed Nationalist, really examine my own thinking as to how our poor beleagured country can ever be saved.
I know folk are angry, aren't we all? I know we have to let off steam to ease frustation. I know that airing a variety of views is democratic. BUT, stating everything that winds you up in blunt, sometimes hysterical, terms is not being pragmatic and is more than likely destructive.
We know the Labour Party is Marxist, but you will never hear any of its members admitting to that. To do their dirty work and to express their more rabid views they use third parties like “Searchlight”.
There is the use of subtle and un-extreme language used by all the main parties to sell a message that we know is ultimately against the interests of our country and our people. Perhaps we should learn from them.
I am prepared to say what may be unpopular or even interpreted as offensive. That is not my intention. If I could wave a magic wand, I would restore this nation to a state which we all envisage.
If my views are unpopular or out of step with BNP policy, then I am quite prepared to send in my membership badge and wish the party well for the future.
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No need for that midenglander. The British National Party is committed to the Institution of the Monarchy and BNP Ministers and Members of Parliament will swear Oath of Allegiance to Her Majesty - Ed
Hi, midenglander. this issue is certain to generate a lot of opinion one way and another. In a sense its a useful exercise that allows people to sound off, and because we are a democratic party, we must hear what everyone has to say, unless it's very extreme or unnecessarily coarse, in which case we will delete it. Ed's response to you, above is essentially correct, though perhaps we should qualify it by saying that we feel the Monarchy has been compromised by sinister forces, and that some sort of restoration may be necessary if we are to have a Monarchy which everyone can respect. - Site Ed
I agree with Site Ed's response; we have to have the debate. The Queen has not performed her function of constitutional long-stop; although ok; she's under all sorts of constraints(”powers in this country of which we know nothing”). Also the monarchy seems to me very dependent upon the life of the present Queen. I don't think that Charles will at all command the loyalty she did; the dire economic situation is going to change a lot of things. If the monarchy's going to become unpopular as an institution, or that seems likely, then I think we should be leading public opinion, as we do, not following it. I think that we are in a play it by ear situation with this one AT THIS EARLY STAGE- Ed(l)
The subject of King Charles and Queen Camilla does drastically change the landscape to where I could become anti Monarchy. However, if it skips to William, that could be very popular. I don't think it will though - EdV
I'm pro-monarchy by nature - I even served in the Guards - but feel totally betrayed by the historic and unconstitutional treason committed by the Queen. However, we should allow all opinions to be aired and let readers make up their own minds. If nothing else, it shows we allow open debates. Perhaps we could put up the official position of the Party re the Monarchy but explaining how we understand the feeling of betrayal. - Ed S
As you see, midenglander, we only report the matter, and have our own concerns and opinions. We hope the above reponses are of help, and that you will remain with us during this difficult and trying time.
Do the Words ‘Foreign Or Domestic' mean anything to our Generals?
AndyK whilst I disagree with your sentiments I respect that they are those of a fellow nationalist and I'm sure we can happily agree to disagree on this.
Having responded briefly to AndyK in a conciliatory manner I then took the time to carefully read the posts beneath.
It is clear that within the nationalist following, there are some gaping divisions regarding this issue, an issue that will come to the fore on the day of days. I only hope then that we can all conduct ourselves with greater humility than some of the comments above, i.e. ‘hangings' etc. We are all friends in our hearts speaking for our nation of frustrated patriots, honed from the finest land this world has ever known; we are not savage beasts and should not allow our current anger to betray us of our inalienable reputation for intelligent thinking.
I confess to not always getting it right myself and as an ex-infantryman, have experienced those epiphanic moments when there is nothing left but the Lion in your heart and the weapon in your hand, but from behind the shield of our PC monitors. I think that we all owe it to the party and the public who may happen across this website considering whether or not to support the BNP, to consider our comments very, very carefully.
The Queen's state of mind is a conundrum. If she is a Bilderberger (even the Queen B), then why hasn't she come clean and told us all to accept what's coming? Too soon, I suppose. She's trying to keep mum until she passes on and the whole firm passes into new management. She has plenty of property, status and money in her own right and there has been talk of Prince William eventually reigning as King of Eurabia, suitably multi-faithed or converted to Islam or even Catholicism. So she's stringing us along, much as she is stringing John James Harris along.
I doubt if she is being kept in ignorance; perhaps she's no longer interested in the intricacies of constitutional law. How can she be forced to do something against her will? Is she accessible to blackmail? Even the most horrible skeleton in the cupboard shouldn't faze someone who has her own path marked out with such consummate coolness. Are Charles and She and Philip following antagonistic roads? Maybe it's Charles who wants an Islamic Europe and he's the one keeping an eye on mum's pension for her. Is she playing a double game, signing the treaties to keep the EU happy, but secretly hoping her subjects will rise up to save the day? She could be in a position like the Tsar or the French Royal Family at the start of their Revolutions and having to keep a low profile in order to keep her head, so to speak.
However, I propose that this is, rather, another double game with the Powers That Be playing both sides again - the monarchists on one side and republicans on the other. It's certainly got us divided along pro- or anti-monarchist lines. What possible result could They want to produce? Could They mean to get us caught up in a side-issue, so as to obscure the big picture? And all the time we're hurrying down a side alley for a punch-up, They're congregating the big guns in the main square.
I say it doesn't matter what the Queen does now. She's obviously not going to put her head on the line. She is an irrelevance. Let the EU deal with her and let us deal with the EU. We may yet meet her and her bloodline again in times to come in another form and in another place. Meantime, let us hang together, my friends, and keep our eyes firmly fixed on the real enemy which, in his current incarnation, is firmly ensconced in Brussels.
High Guys, I'm back despite my last password being invalidated.
I think that the extensive EDs. comments to my post were fair. By the way I was NOT defending royalty.
I think that perryman has stated the case for reasoned comment very well. I will leave it at that.
Gordon Brown can rot in hell.
God Save Our Queen.
Mr Cooper, I assume we have the same goal, despite our opinions on the Queen. Her ancestry is irrelevant. There are many of us who support the BNP and love Britain despite our lack of anglo-saxon credentials. Let's all get a grip here.
Stephen Tolkinghorne, monarchies aren't always removed by violent revolution. After the Second World War, the Italians had a ‘plebiscite' (they call them referenda, now) with I think 70% vote against required. As a result King Umberto (I think - this is from memory) departed to Portugal. Per contra, Spain or at least some group of Spaniards reinstated their monarch I'd imagine though with extremely restricted powers in view of Spain's being in the EU.
I'm a fairly new boy on the block, and finally got up the confidence to dive in. I've been reading posts on the site for a while now. I'm not a BNP member, but have been thinking about it. After reading the comments on this post I will keep thinking about it. Some of the comments are sensible and thought out. Lots of them are extreme. It only takes a few hot heads to discredit a worthy cause. Hope you don't mind my two pennyworth on a family quarrel.
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Its not a quarrel, Trooperx, its honest, open debate. Something you will never get with the liblabcon. Welcome aboard - Ed
Trooperx echoes my worst fears about attacks on our monarchy. The sad thing is, nobody really cares out there about our views on it - until we start attacking it, that is. The monarchy to many is a historical, almost abstract institution that they hardly ever give a moment's thought to - a bit like politics. Start attacking it however, and you are immediately picked up on their otherwise redundant radar. It's hard to explain.
When I was much younger (and having sworn an Oath of Allegiance to the Queen) I really did think this country would be better off as a republic with an elected president. Not anymore, not on your life. I'm much older and wiser now, and so are many potential BNP voters whom we need on board to attain power and save this nation. I would never threaten to quit the BNP if I disagreed with a policy issue like some have done. After all, there is The British National Party…then nobody. Quit? To go where…to do what?
It's been a great debate, but when it starts to worry or make potential voters shy away, then perhaps we shouldn't discuss this subject anymore and accept BNP policy. Saving Great Britain is more important than any one policy anyway. I for one want the Queen to still be at the helm when the BNP enter government. Until then, I want HM to be kept as far as is humanly possible away from this wretched Marxist EuroTrash argument.
Why and how should people like us, support a Monarchy that apparently has no concern for its own future status, let alone ours? I mean, how difficult is it to say ‘No'?
As AndyK pointed out, their majesties would have unquestionably had the whole nation behind them. As it is, I can't help thinking now - ‘What's it for?'
Signed, one Disillusioned non-Australian Monarchist.
This is someone's idea of joke, right?
– Wr…. - Ed.
I had decided not to revisit this story but since I feel that I put the cat amongst the pigeons. I decided to take a look at recent comments.
Winston … I respect your measured views but I never threatened to leave the BNP. I said that if my views were not consistent with Party policy then I would leave and wish the party well. There is a difference.
I feel that if Nationalism is going to be a real player in this land, then how the image is presented MATTERS.
As a fairly small unimportant cog in all this,just a member and nothing more, I respect views of those who have lived and breathed this party down the years, to make it the viable force that it is. I just want to do my part but I get frustrated when I read things which I believe will peg us to the ground.
If my credentials as a Nationalist are not obvious I don't know what else to do. I have tried to employ what intellect I have to further the cause, not hinder it.
To people like Trooperx I would say that I was in exactly the same position once. Joining the BNP was a great moment for me. I never found a home for my views, ever in my life, until this party. I realise that it encompasses many aspects, some which are held more than passionately. But,WE must focus on the real issues and not get side tracked.
@apendragon: If HM had refused to sign those Acts of Parliament, she would probably have died in her sleep by now. Two royal car accidents in ten years would have been too unfortunate and careless to believe. Also, the suicide in the woods had been used recently so that was a no-can-do.
How on earth is she going to get her anti EU message out to the public at large, that she is refusing to sign these things? How do we know that she hasn't refused to sign them anyway? She may have signed them under duress for all we know. Somebody may have signed them for her! We in the BNP know all about not being able to get our message out there.
So please! Get off her back and get behind her. I can assure you that the voters will accept nothing less.
I tend to agree with Alanrei. The Queen should have stopped this in 1972 when Heath's Tories first took us into the EEC. There wasn't a referendum then either. Even under a BNP Govenment there is no coming back from this. Whether she is just a figurehead or has some actual power, as Monarch she should by rights make a stand against these corrupt people. Our history is replete with heroes laying down their lives for King/Queen and country, that she hasn't even made a show of resistance frankly is cowardice.
Winston, I still call myself a monarchist, do I not? I asked a question before: Where is our Queen when she needs us?
@midenglander: you cannot expect to agree with ‘absolutely everything' that the BNP stands for and represents. It is a dynamic party and opinions differ on numerous matters. I don't agree with certain things but I never think to say, “If my views are unpopular or out of step with BNP policy, then I am quite prepared to send in my membership badge and wish the party well for the future.”
I'm prepared to do nothing of the kind. My BNP Gold Membership and that of my wife's is my life. If my own views are unpopular or out of step with BNP policy, then I'll try to persuade - or be persuaded otherwise. If we can't agree, then I'll agree to disagree. As for leaving the BNP, where would I/We go? There is the BNP… and nothing.
Everyone's Membership of the BNP is immensely valued - but no one's is indispensable. I know that and would never suggest resigning. If I ever foolishly did - and knowing my luck - it would be accepted! :)
- Spot-on, Winston! I always say that if you agree with 80% of what the BNP stand for, that's probably a much higher percentage than the average LibLabCon supporter can say about the policies of their own parties -Ed
Sorry Winston, I went straight 2 bottom and hadn't read your comments. I also take on board midenglander's comments. (I'd been angry and getting angrier at the way our country was being treated. I thought no-one could see what was happening. Then I read the BNP policies). Monarchy or no, I won't be leaving the party. I do feel betrayed by the current Queen but, having read all the comments, I do see how the monarchy does have a historical and national significance. - And there is never any harm in debating these issues, is there? One phrase does it for me: “President Blair” -Ed
I support the BNP on all but this issue, regarding the Queen. The Monarchy is an old style of leadership that is futile in the 21st Century. I would support the removal of the royal family and replace it with an elected President. It is about time the so called royals got a taste of real life hard graft.
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And should the ballot box/rigged/elected President of Britain turn out to be Ken Livingstone/Boris Osman, the Monarchy would still seem futile? - Ed
I'm in full support of the monarchy. They uphold many of our traditions and play a great part in the identity of this country! Removal of the Royals would be a huge blow to the already battered cultural identity of these Isles. It should NEVER happen!
@ Mendal
We may support the monarchy, but what happens if the monarchy decides not to support us and walks out on us? We may not want a divorce ourselves, but if the other party does? The Queen has not come out yet and said she wants a “divorce”, but she's been keeping trysts with a possible co-respondent and has broken her “marriage vows” with a view to shacking up with the EU. So what do we do if she insists on a final break?
I agree with Ed. If the Monarchy were to go in favour of an elected President just imagine the mayhem caused by the rush to grab this plum job. The self servers would be queueing up to stab one another in the back to get to this position,the biggest trough of all. What a prize eh! And as Ed points out, what about all the vote rigging and fiddling that takes place. God forbid we could even end up with our Trev as President, as I daresay a large proportion of our electorate would still be too apathetic to bother voting, leaving the door open to you know who. No, whether you like them or not at least they are a bulwark against this little scenario.
When I said earlier about getting off the Queen's back and getting behind her (sorry apendragon, that was meant as a plea to everyone) perhaps the BNP should put some foot soldiers in front of her and at her side as well. Difficult to do in reality but the pen can be mightier than the sword.
I am absolutely convinced that this clear and present threat to our Queen, is the achilles heel of the planned Federal EU super state. The ‘threat to our sovereignty' argument has worked up to a point with the voters - a referendum in Britain would deliver a resounding NO to the Lisbon Constitution and a YES for complete withdrawal from the EU itself.
We must give HM the benefit of the doubt, that she is playing a long game here with all these EU shenanigans going on around her, hoping that something will turn up - the BNP for instance? We must be very careful not to be perceived by the electorate to be ‘using' HM for political gain and I am certain this is the argument the scumbags in Parliament will adopt.
However, if our Party's strategists get it right - they've done a pretty good job to date with Henley and many other successes - I think this real threat to our present Monarch and the future King Charles (we have to forgive the daft things he's said and done if he promises not to let it happen again) could finally get the docile public to see what is really about to happen.
Their normally dormant radars will pick up and lock-on to this argument, no matter how much the biased media try to spin and suppress it.
There are people out there who would sell their very souls rather than lose the Monarchy. Getting them to stop their criminal lifelong habit of voting for these criminal mainstream parties will be easy, if we can only convince them of the truth; that it's either the BNP - or the Republic of Britain under the heel of Europe - and no Monarch!
I thought that my last post had answered any question about my committment to Nationalism.
To Winston I say; I don't think that you fully took on board what I was actually saying before your, albeit mild, rebuke of me.
My Gold Membership has also signified enthusiastic support and I know very well that no individual's inclusion is indispensible. However, any group is always a collection of “dispensible” individuals. I bet Brown wishes he now had the support of former “dispensible” members who have been disenchanted by his party's policies.
I have contributed to debate on this website, for some time now, as a means of helping to show any uncommitted reader on this site, that Nationalists are not necessarily “knuckle dragging skinheads”. That is why I have expressed concern about comments which appear OTT.
I was a one hundred per cent Nationalist before I joined the BNP and I would still be one if I no longer belonged.
Winston himself has expressed concern about turning potential recruits away by debating controversial views in strident terms. You can't have it all ways.
History has shown us surely,that to follow any creed, political or religious, without question, is highly dangerous. I no longer support the Church of England for instance, since it has given support and encouragement to decadence and decadent activities like same-sex marriages.
I will say one thing though. The Editors of this site have always been willing to allow a variety of views to be aired. For allowing my small contribution I would like to say “Thanks!”
I'm going to bow out now, at least for a while. Sometimes it's best to stand back and observe, rather to always wade right in with opinion.
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We all take time out occasionally midenglander. We value your input and opinion and look forward to seeing you back soon, tomorrow hopefully :-) - Ed
I have always been anti royalist,much to my parent's distaste.I see them as an irrelevance,a relic of the past.Their ancestors and followers were the strongest of a bad lot who raped and pillaged to get their wealth and titles.
However when I think of the alternative.President Blair,Brown,Major or Cameron I think that we should keep the monarchy as the figurehead and remove any constitutional duties.
Any decision, that implicitly changes the face of the UK ie. the Lisbon treaty or is to take us into war, should be put to the people in a referendum or an immediate General election so that the government of the UK is answerable to it's electorate and becomes a true democracy.At the moment the UK is governed as an Authoritarian state.
Dear all, I think we are all beginning to get sidetracked here far too much, we have had a jolly good debate on the subect, and everyone has had the chance to put their point of view so let's not drag it on for too long. History will in the end determine the outcome regardless of our opinions. The fight must be against the spivs in Parliament, the biased media, the PC brigade and the Marxist rabble trying to blacken our name. I, like Ed am all for honest debate but we now seem to be going round in circles and need to shift our focus to the real enemy.
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Indeed, Crispy, a timely comment, we feel. Its been an interesting and emotive debate, and now is perhaps a good time to reflect on all that has been said and move on. Further input is of course allowed. - Ed
I've said enough, more than enough on this issue. I would just like to say to midenglander that, if my earlier post caused offence, however slight, ‘this was not on my mind' - to steal a partial quote from General Patton's apology to his fellow officers, following a serious lapse of judgement.
Winston, no offence taken. Cheers Brother and Best Wishes.
“Phew”-this one's been lively, please allow me to borrow from Friedrich Nietzsche - “You have your opinion. I have my opinion. As for the right opinion, the correct opinion, and the only opinion - it does not exist”.
Its dangerous to say what I am thinking in this day and age of the ever watchful eyes of this government, but there will be a day when the true British people of this land revolt. As history shows, we stand for so much, then we will show our trump card. We are always the underdogs, ( because we leave it untill the very last second before retaliation) but I can see that in the end, the people will get their way. The Iraqis, dont want us there, and they are fighting for their own indepedence, to stand for them selves with no help, they too are at war within.
Will we the British be leaving it that late, or will we do something while we can before the inevitable, because what cannot be said by words is said by fists and anger?
Let's stand for what we are and beat this criminal government.
We are England.
God save the Queen!
BNP!
Although I'm no supporter of this Royal Family, I must agree with ‘Crispy' et al. We have to focus on the traitors at Westminster and elsewhere, once we have finished with them it will be time to argue over the rights and wrongs of Monarchy (after all this argument has been around for centuries). Just one comment before leaving this thorny subject; there have been numerous occasions in the past when a particular Monarch has tried pushing the people too far, and each time they've been pulled up sharply.
Gordon Clown you are a national disgrace, & the fate you deserve is too good for you! As ex-infantry, Oath Of Allegiance to me means to HM The Queen, if it's not to the Queen, its' not to anybody! One day, the worm will turn ….
We should keep our Monarchy, they are part of our Heritage and Culture, what is life without History, Art, Culture and Heritage. These Marxists complain about Monarchies being unelected, undemocratic, then set themselves up in Brussels and Unelected Despots we can never get rid of. Worse yet they lack the Intelligence to see the double standards, worse yet, they are in Power.
Communism, Marxism was never about redistribution or fairness though they have plenty of Usefull Idiot activists that genuiniely believe that is the end goal. It's very simple, It's as old as the Hills, The Lib Lab Cons, the EU, the Global elite are simply seizing power for themselves over us, the little guys.
Sarkozy and the EU Despots. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=h9-k0Gc3RTM
Blair and the Queen http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=479963&in_page_id=1770