Sharia law in Britain is unavoidable.

The Archbishop of Canterbury has today said that the adoption of Islamic Sharia law in the UK is “unavoidable” and that it would help maintain social cohesion.

Rowan Williams told BBC Radio 4’s World at One that the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system. He says that Muslims could choose to have marital disputes or financial matters dealt with in a Sharia court. He says Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.

Dr Williams said there was a place for finding a “constructive accommodation” in areas such as marriage - allowing Muslim women to avoid western divorce proceedings. Other religions enjoyed such tolerance of their own laws, he pointed out, but stressed that it could never be allowed to take precedence over an individual’s rights as a citizen. He said it would also require a change in perception of what Sharia involved beyond the “inhumanity” of extreme punishments and attitudes to women seen in some Islamic states.

Dr Williams said: “It seems unavoidable and, as a matter of fact, certain conditions of Sharia are already recognised in our society and under our law, so it is not as if we are bringing in an alien and rival system.

“We already have in this country a number of situations in which the internal law of religious communities is recognised by the law of the land as justifying conscientious objections in certain circumstances.”

He added: “There is a place for finding what would be a constructive accommodation with some aspects of Muslim law as we already do with aspects of other kinds of religious law.

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269 comments for “Sharia law in Britain is unavoidable.”

  1. More drip drip drip, when will this civil/world war kick off then? i mean it must be inevitable? islam and modern, un brainwashed countries are so incompatable, surely something shortly will kick it off? afghan is going down the pan as it was forecast. why oh why cant western countries isolate the whole middle east and have nothing to do with islamic anything. (oil of course but we can get round it with the right technology and recyling of oil based products surely?)
    if the brains and expertise of western governments left all the mad muslim countries to get on with living the shariah way they would be in the stone age in now time. on the plus side for us we have no worries of rucksacks blowing up on public transport, no wailing minerets, i could go on ..its all positive stuff.
    ban shariah and all the crap if the dont like it go live elsewhere…

    Posted by Billy Hull | February 7, 2008, 3:14 pm
  2. One of the many tragedies of GB is that people associate Christianity with Williams. Appointed by Bliar, he has done more than anyone to destroy Bible witness in a country once renowned for it. Can it be coincidence that when the Bible was held in high regard our country prospered, and vice-versa?

    Posted by PJD | February 7, 2008, 3:19 pm
  3. Oh yes. he makes it sound like such a terribly, terribly, good thing.

    A great leap backwards.


    Posted by UprightMan | February 7, 2008, 3:24 pm
  4. They should make their minds up, either we have Sharia law or our law. That old twat the Archbishop of Canterbury should be made to convert to Islam if this is what he thinks, after all he is legitimising their religion against his own.

    Posted by odin | February 7, 2008, 3:32 pm
  5. The lunatics have taken over the asylum !

    Posted by Si | February 7, 2008, 3:34 pm
  6. This is all part of the ‘Common Purpose’ (Rowans is a graduate of that Marxist ideology factory)drip drip drip towards the islamification of this country.

    What next - public stonings and executions in Trafalgar Square?
    How about a permant Hand-Chopping Squad based in Oxford Street to deal with shoplifters?

    Posted by Lickyalips | February 7, 2008, 3:35 pm
  7. Quote: Thorgeir of Ljosavatn

    “It would be disastrous if men should not have one and the same law, all of them, in this land.”
    “It will prove true, if we break the law in pieces, that we break the peace in pieces too.”

    (I do not think he was considering Sharia Law at the time.)

    Posted by Gamlegorm The White | February 7, 2008, 3:37 pm
  8. I had to check my calendar just to make sure it was not 1st April! I truly cannot believe what the Archbishop is saying! Could you imagine what would happen if same islamic cleric said that muslims should embrace Christian values, ha, ha, ha. Go help this country.

    Posted by NukeLabour | February 7, 2008, 3:41 pm
  9. The Great Bearded Wonder really has lost it this time. You are more likely to get social cohesion when everyone is subject to the same laws. Not different ones.This sounds like appeasement to me. And we all know what use that was against Germany in the 1930s.

    Posted by Mister J | February 7, 2008, 3:42 pm
  10. Will no-one rid us of this turbulent priest?

    This man is a traitor whose Blair-inspired ramblings reek of New Labour’s political correctness. He should go take a hike out to a country such as Saudi Arabia, or Sudan, that fully practices Shariah Law. I don’t think he would be able to practise his religion.. and certainly not build a church out there..

    I would then suggest replacing him with the truly Christian Bishop of Rochester. Oh. or maybe the fella from York.

    In this area of Britain there is a Halal slaughterhouse. The animals are, of course, killed without pre-stunning (a practice which is deemed by most of us to be barbaric in an enlightened age). If a regular slaughterman killed in this fashion, they would be breaking the law.

    One law for “them” and another law for “the rest of us” is NOT cohesive. It is truly divisive, and will create resentment in those to whom the law already applies.

    Posted by Shropshire Lass | February 7, 2008, 3:45 pm
  11. This is turning out to be a bad dream. The Archbishop of Canterbury has practically given his blessing for the go ahead of this vile practise. The Government will be cockahoop if they have the church’s backing to do what they like here.

    Is it any wonder that weekly attendances are dropping weekly with people attending their local church.

    Posted by darkmatter | February 7, 2008, 3:46 pm
  12. Quote:
    ” …. it is not as if we are bringing in an alien and rival system.”

    No, of course not.
    Who could think such a thing of this devoted follower of Jesus, the liblabcon-trick and the religion of peace?
    We will all live together in a diverse, multicult rainbow paradise.

    Wake up! - Time is running out!

    Posted by Dylan | February 7, 2008, 3:46 pm
  13. He should be shot for treason.

    I thought our war heroes fought many battles to avoid foreign influence? Seems like he spat on what they died for.

    Posted by Mendal | February 7, 2008, 3:47 pm
  14. It’s no wonder people are deserting the Anglican congregation in droves with this sort of gutless stance being taken by the head of the established Church. The passion and fervour of reformed faith preachers has been replaced by tea drinking, biscuit nibbling,country cottage dwelling bumbling vicars who approach every controversial subject with mouse-like timidity.
    Instead of promoting the laws of Islam or any other faith the AB of C needs to start fighting for a greater Christian influence on OUR legal system. Perhaps then we wouldn’t see laws passed that make it compulsory for people to associate with homosexuals and allow children to be adopted by gay couples. He could also tackle the issue of schools grooming children to believe that homosexuality is a healthy and acceptable norm.

    Posted by trueblueloyalist | February 7, 2008, 3:48 pm
  15. Somebody needs to inform this moron Rowan Williams, who just happens to be living on another planet from the rest of us, that if these muslims don’t wish to conform to our christian way of life and laws, then they can clear off back to whichever mediaeval country they came from and leave us British to get on with our lives in the way that our forefathers fought and died for.

    Posted by THELMA H | February 7, 2008, 3:49 pm
  16. Is this guy for real? To Hell with Political Coddeling!!!


    Posted by Ken Bloodsworth | February 7, 2008, 3:54 pm


    Posted by Vman | February 7, 2008, 3:57 pm
  18. This man is not ignorant nor stupid. He is very much for real and he is part of the attack being waged upon our society. One of the aims of Common Purpose is to destroy established religion.

    Common Purpose are infecting all areas of our society including the church. That means the Archbishop of Cantebury knows exactly what he is saying and doing.

    New World Order anyone?

    We are in real trouble and the clock is ticking.

    Posted by Christopher James | February 7, 2008, 4:12 pm
  19. This silly Dhimmi Fool should try living in Iran or Saudi Arabia and practice his Christian Faith then he’ll find out what Sharia Law is all about!

    He speaks out of total ignorance if he believes Muslims will be happy with a watered down version of Sharia Law dealing with mundane cases such as financial and marital disputes. What a fool!

    At first it will be the mundane stuff then Muslims will demand a bit more until we are faced with Sharia in all its glory.

    Women, all women (of any faith), will have to be covered up. The air will be full of those calls to prayer (something Oxford is about to experience). We will see “religious” bigots out on the streets of Bradford, Luton etc making sure women are covered up. Gays and other minorities will start to suffer as the bigots demand clubs and venues are closed.

    No, Sharia must not be given even the slightest foot hold in the UK.

    This fool states: “…Muslims should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.?

    Surely the very many previous groups have done just that and integrated without demanding special laws and special treatment? For example the many Jews, Greeks, Pole, Italians and Indians of Sikh or Hindu faiths that have made homes in the UK. Why does Islam need to be singled out as a “special case” requring “special” laws and treatment?

    The fool then remarks that: “face up to the fact that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system”.?! Well Mr. Williams, neither would I “relate” to an Islamic legal system if I chose to live in an Islamic country yet I don’t see these countries willing to introduced Judaeo Christian laws just to suit non Muslims?! The case of Sudan and Teddygate being a prime example.

    No, if Muslims CHOOSE to live here they abide by British Law and frankly I couldn’t care less whether they “relate” to it or not. We are not changing it for Islam or anyone else.

    May I then suggest that Williams sorts out the problems in his own Church - the Gay Clergy issue being a case in point - and leave our legal system alone. It has served us well for the last 1,000 years and doubtless will continue for at least another 1,000.

    Posted by Fatso | February 7, 2008, 4:13 pm
  20. When will idiots like the Archbishop of Canterbury, Rowan Williams realise it’s lily livered do gooders like him that is killing christianity in Britain while Islam flourishes.

    As a preacher of peace, he should be screaming from the hilltops about the evils of Sharia Law. This is a barbaric law that flies in the face of all Christianity stands for. Does he really want to sit by and witness the brutality of public floggings and stonings for women who do not conform to the Islamic way of life ? Does he really want to sit by while the Islamic leaders preach their hatred for westerners and western life styles? Does he really want to sit back and watch as Islamic terrorists are protected by Sharia law as our courts will not be able to touch them when they claim they don’t recognise our legal system ?

    Is this man mad ?

    As for Sharia law being unavoidable in Britain. Of course it’s unavoidable. We just need to tell the people of the world, if our laws and customs are alien to you - DON’T BLOODY COME HERE…… Dave

    Posted by England Dave | February 7, 2008, 4:23 pm
  21. He is a stupid mindless DRUID. No wonder people do not bother to go to church anymore. The way he talks I think he is gay also.

    Posted by Brysea | February 7, 2008, 4:23 pm
  22. the man is a disgrace to britain and what britain stands for.
    i hope he’ll cast the first stone when that becomes legal. it’d probably be better if he was the recipient.
    his dangerous talk can only help as a catalyst to get the fighting started.
    long live britain

    Posted by billy | February 7, 2008, 4:23 pm
  23. Get rid of him - he’s a complete waste of space!!

    Posted by JackRussell | February 7, 2008, 4:25 pm
  24. I am so glad that an influential figure like the Archbishop has made this statement. If there is anybody out there who still doubts the threat that Islam poses to this country, Williams’ statement about the adoption of Sharia law being “unavoidable” ought to awaken them from cloud-cuckoo land.

    Posted by Stanley Aetion | February 7, 2008, 4:30 pm
  25. The closer I look at his picture it now appears to me that there is little difference between him and those other beaded buffoons that infest our country.

    I know they have planted Muslims in every part of our country, but this is surely their greatest coup to have got one in at the top of the Church of England!

    Posted by Ancient Briton | February 7, 2008, 4:38 pm
  26. Not that I beleive any of their fairy tales either Christian or Muslim, but this is a Christian country governed by Christian values. If Muslims don’t like it then why come here? Why don’t they go back to whichever hell hole they came from and take this eclesiastical idiot with them. We don’t want him!
    Talk about the tail wagging the dog, 3% of the population (non indiginous I might add) want to tell the other 97% what laws their country is governed by? Obviously, we know they don’t understand democracy, but that twat Williams should know better.
    It is about time the fantasy of religions were consigned to the dustbin of history where they belong, so that sane people can go about their business without having to put up with all of this nonsense. As we all know more people have died because of religion than anything else and the beginning of the scientific 21st century is a good time to do it, then idiots like Williams would have to get a proper job.
    It can be argued that religions were useful in the past to instill moral values, but I’m not so sure when I read the Old Testament, let alone the Koran.
    Sharia Law in Britain? No way you appeasing idiot. You are a traitor to your employer (The Church) and a traitor to your country.

    Posted by Angryman | February 7, 2008, 4:40 pm
  27. This man should be sacked and replaced with someone of true Christian faith, a sense of Britishness and most importantly, a spine. Has he actually accepted that Islam will conquer our legal system? As a Christian, you would think he would stand up for his faith and promote it above all others instead of lying down and giving in. How can the C of E and the government be so out of touch with public opinion? I have just read the comments on the Daily Mail website and every one of them says the same thing. The hard working white Englishman needs a voice, every ethnic minority (majority in W Yorkshire) seems to have one.

    Posted by onyourfeetoronyourknees | February 7, 2008, 4:44 pm
  28. I am trying in vain to find words for this treachery,but I can’t.Excuse me while I puke…………..

    Posted by onetruebrit | February 7, 2008, 5:06 pm
  29. It made my blood boil when I read this. Mr Williams is an overpaid, Common Purpose serving dhimmi and it disgusts me to think that the traditional Christian foundations that this country has been build on are quickly being eroded by Marxist lunatics such as this bearded buffoon.

    I know it is often repeated but the message is simple: a BNP government MUST be elected and gain power if we are ever to end this lunacy. Otherwise, I feel that a Civil War is eventually inevitable as the anger of native Britons can only be suppressed for so long. As soon as it bubbles over, these pandering Dhimmis and indeed those who want to impose Sharia law need to be prepared for what will occur.

    Posted by Dendiol | February 7, 2008, 5:11 pm
  30. It beggars belief that someone in his position would spout this rubbish. How can a christian country (only just) be partly governed by Sharia law? This would give muslims virtual immunity from western laws and values that they clearly already despise so much. We have enough problems with Islam in this country of OURS without them having free reign to do as they please.

    Posted by ballardberkeley | February 7, 2008, 5:19 pm
  31. Shariah Law and the “Religious Police”.. don’t you just love it? For anyone who has doubts about how “vicious and wicked” Islam really is and who would welcome “some” Shariah law in Great Britain..think “Thin end of the Wedge”. Halal today, stoning tomorrow:

    Religious police in Saudi Arabia arrest mother for sitting with a man:

    A useful insight into life for women under Wahaabism… I quote:

    “If I want to make a difference I have to stick around. If I leave they win.” This woman is obviously extremely naïve if she thinks she can buck THIS system!

    Posted by Shropshire Lass | February 7, 2008, 5:24 pm
  32. This idiot has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. I have lived in Dubai and Bahrain and worked in Saudi Arabia. I must admit that the people I met in especially Dubai and to a certain extent Bahrain were very friendly and polite. The problem is with a certain amount of muslims in this country who have a chip on their shoulder and think the grass is greener elsewhere. let me tell you, it’s not. In Saudi Arabia I was invited to attend the public floggings and amputations at a football stadium, (I obviously declined the offer). Whilst Dubai and Bahrain are quite westernised, Saudi Arabia is a law unto itself and quite scary. Whilst over there one of my friends was hit in his car, (not his fault at all) but was blamed for the accident as the philosophy was, “if you hadn’t of been in our country, it wouldn’t have happened”! To try and introduce any part of Sharia law into this country is simply not on as one part would lead to another and so it would spread. One thing is certain and that is that I would change religeons to suit my needs if I ever got in trouble with the law! You have to watch this dodgy government as they use large scare tactics like this headline which amount to nothing but sneak in little bits of law when no ones looking.

    Posted by This is my country | February 7, 2008, 5:32 pm
  33. At Christmas, which is also under threat from these bearded/veiled intruders into our society, I would have suggested letting this sad sack of a clergyman to have his seasonal rant and ignore him - as every sane Christian will anyway. However, this is not Christmas and he has crossed a line today that it will be difficult for him to recover from.

    He has hardly any credibility in any case and Downing Street have been unusually swift in slapping him down, hastily supported of course, by the other two making up the Parliamentary cabal.

    He is nothing but an inept, joke like figure and he is to be pitied rather than despised. Rory Bremner may even be moved to distance himself, from such a tragic figure of fun that he loves to ridicule. It is almost akin to taking the *iss out of the mentally challenged - not very funny at all when you stop laughing and think about it.

    There may be a ray of hope for poor Rowan if he tries reinventing himself, starting with shaving off that ridiculous beard and having a decent haircut. Or is it his prize asset as he morphs from an Archbishop into an Imam?

    Posted by Winston | February 7, 2008, 5:33 pm
  34. This excuse for a archbishop is giving me a warm feeling, he is in my opinion giving our party the best recruitment insentive possible.
    We couldn,t afford to pay for this level of publicity he has given us for free.
    By the way lickyalips you are lucky to get a posting on the BBC forum they never publish my little articles.

    Posted by hytron5 | February 7, 2008, 5:34 pm
  35. I may be in the minority, but I think we should let them have their ‘Sharia’ law, so long as it only applies to Muslims.

    Firstly, think of the entertainment value. What better way to fill the Half Time break in a Premiership Match than with the good, old fashioned stonning of a Muslim adulterer. Obviously, they’d have to clear up quickly afterwards. ‘SKY’ wouldn’t want the start to the second half delayed.

    Secondly, consider the advantages if they start executing each other. More housing, less of a drain on The NHS and fewer claims on the Benefits System. On the downside, it may be more difficult to find an illegal mini cab.

    However, the chopping off of hands, feet and limbs etc must be outlawed from the off. Unless they are then left to bleed to death. The NHS can’t be expected to provide treatment and artificial ‘Hooks’ to these criminals.

    Finally, If all those ugly mares have to cover their faces, we won’t have to look at them. Trips to the Post Office, corner shop etc will overnight become a more pleasurable experience.

    So I say, give them Carte Blanche to do what they like to each other.

    Posted by ArthurDaley | February 7, 2008, 5:38 pm
  36. “Certain conditions of Sharia law are already accepted in our society”.Really?
    So if I stone my wife to death for having an affair can I choose to be tried by a Sharia court? Because I will get away with it in their court but not ours.
    This is absolute bloody madness.

    Posted by jao7 | February 7, 2008, 5:40 pm
  37. How on earth did this man become leader of the Church of England?
    The reverend in my local Chapel has far more savvy than this supposed Archbishop.
    Quite how he thinks that having separate and distinct laws for different members or groups in the community will do anything for social cohesion. Is beyond me.

    Posted by CliveB | February 7, 2008, 5:41 pm
  38. Rowan williams ,more like Rowan Atkinson ,this man is a fool,he believes that this evil devil religeon should cut off peoples hands and stone women to death ,make children into bombers ,Hes a man of god then ,i dont think so. The only good thing i can think of if they ever got thier own laws is that they can force them onto all these young muslims that were born here and hate us so much ,the ones that think the countries their mothers and fathers come from is so wonderful,they can get a taste of it in this country,I wonder what the muslim punishment for beating the hell out of innocent people with a base ball bats is ,or nearly killing a young boy with a hammer or actually killing someone all who are white by the way, Let me guess oh it dosen’t cover that i bet.
    Well in the words of my idol catherine tate ,you can take your mosques ,take your loud speakers, take your muslim preachers ,take your sharia laws shove them up your a–s and p–s of back where you came from.

    Posted by ILOVEENGLAND | February 7, 2008, 5:43 pm
  39. This outrageous proposal eptiomises how mad this country is now, and the religious establishment are a prime example of that. A few years ago such a remark would have been unthinkable. The Archbishop of Canterbury has revealed the true god he worships - the god of political correctness.

    Posted by idealist | February 7, 2008, 5:47 pm
  40. And the row has exploded. Politicians are distancing themselves. RW has gone and lit the blue touch paper.

    Posted by UprightMan | February 7, 2008, 5:48 pm
  41. Look folks - it is absolutely impossible to communicate with Muzlimz on anything like an objective level. They believe they are right and that anyone who disagrees with them is exhibiting some sort of irrational behaviour - viz Islamaphobia.

    Williams is as much as admitting this. The establishment is too cowardly to say ‘NO!’ to Muzlimz because they know Muzlimz ignore anything they don’t agree with. A firm ‘NO!’ to Sharia law will be ignored but it will mean that the authorities have some responsibility to prevent it - which is the last thing they want because they know it will bring them into conflict with the Muzlim population, and they don’t know where that might lead. Hence they give Muzlimz their own way and leave confronting them to somebody else at some time in the future.

    Posted by iiwn | February 7, 2008, 5:49 pm
  42. Oh, the joys of Multiculturalism.
    In the space of a few days:

    Government legitimises polygamy via Social Security.

    Church of England leader suggests ‘may be a case’ for Sharia ‘law’.

    Interview with ‘England football manager’… complete with subtitles!

    As Britain is now the laughing stock of the world, can we expect to see an hilarious new sitcom, or perhaps a new version of ‘Mars Attacks’?

    Quack, quack, quack.

    Posted by apendragon | February 7, 2008, 5:49 pm
  43. I’m an atheist B.N.P.member .Secular is best.
    Christendom destroyed the original belief systems.
    I come from a Christian family background .Christianity has done much good, but also much ill toward our nation.

    To come to a quick conclusion religion of any kind , has very limited value in a modern society.
    “Sand ” religions just cause dischord .Doesn’t the New testement say ,”turn the other cheek” too?.
    Islam says,”Jihad”?
    What do we say?

    Posted by MarkGrimsbyLincs | February 7, 2008, 5:50 pm
  44. Williams needs to “face up to the fact” that not all Brits are as weak and pathetic as he and his labour mates/cronies and that we simply will not put up with much more of this spouted crap.

    Posted by chrisM3 | February 7, 2008, 5:51 pm

    What a grovelling, sycophantic, low down worm - so low he can walk under the crack of a door wearing a top-hat, or walk under the belly of a snake.

    Christianity is about tolerance, NOT about turning your faith, your beliefs on their head and selling short all that this country is about. If this twisted despot wants to make a pact with the devil let him do it on his own in one of the Devil-Pig worshiping countries far from here; (before he does it might be an excellent idea to watch the film ‘300' and see what real men used to do in the face of muslim enemies)!!!

    Posted by frei_saxon | February 7, 2008, 6:10 pm
  46. We thought it was
    “When in Rome do as the Romans do”?
    The only solution!


    You know it makes sense.

    MY Instructions from the other half.

    Posted by ianpenrhyndd | February 7, 2008, 6:25 pm
  47. Where is my pall going to live when all the bell towers have been converted?


    Posted by Gamlegorm The White | February 7, 2008, 6:29 pm
  48. What aspects of Sharia law does this Devil think should be implemented?. Beheading? Stoning to death? Cutting off of hands? Beating your wife? etc.etc.etc!!!

    It has been mentioned here previously that Muslims support Islam over The State and State Laws.

    Do not people, particularly our idiot politicians, realise that that is why in Islamic States like Saudi Arabia and Iran, they combine the Islamic religion with the State Politics with no options? That way Muslims can support the State and Islam without conflict. That is also why these muslims say they want an Islamist in Downing Street. We,The British do not say we must have a Christian Prime Minister.We have had Jews,Catholics,Protestant etc.in office.

    I only hope this latest utterance by The Archbishop of Canterbury may be enough to bring people to their senses, realise what is happening here, and be prepared to do something about it!!!!!

    Posted by whiskyindia | February 7, 2008, 6:34 pm
  49. can you imagine a typical sunday afternoon in the future? all the family sit down to a good hearty halal sunday dinner-then its off to the park with the kids! not to feed the ducks but to watch some poor wretch being stoned to death for talking to a stranger outside of her family! then the kids pipe up “ooo i smell a barbecue” can i have a burger? no no kids thats a funeral pyre its a muslim roasting not a burger! the mind boggles!

    Posted by woody1456 | February 7, 2008, 6:36 pm
  50. By all means let them for now live in their ghettos under sharia law, as long as they do not try and impose it on civilised people. At least this will mean they are not trying to integrate, thus making it easier for them to move on, or be moved on when the time comes.

    Posted by AndrewB | February 7, 2008, 6:39 pm
  51. I think ArthurDaley has a valid point and I think I have said it myself - let them get on with it but just keep it well away from me. However, on reflection, I don’t think I want this anymore than I want them.

    Why accept it at all, when our unswerving aim is to rid this Country of the scourge of Islam? It might even - and probably would - encourage them to stay longer than they othewise would! The unintended consequences of misguided and expedient decisions. Do not allow it under any circumstances and continually remind these unwelcome guests of their unwelcome status!

    ps Abu Hamza to be kicked across the Pond! One down, a couple of million (2,000,000) to go.

    Posted by Winston | February 7, 2008, 6:40 pm
  52. Stupid man.

    Posted by Adam | February 7, 2008, 6:42 pm
  53. Where’s Henry II when you need him?

    “Who will rid me of this troublesome priest?”.

    I believe we could safely say though that unlike Thomas A’Beckett there would never, ever be a shrine to Saint Rowan Williamson of less than blessed memory.

    Posted by neversurrender | February 7, 2008, 6:43 pm
  54. Have a look at the reactions from the politicals this has produced. Even the lib-dems leader has condemned Williams. I think he has finally pushed his common purpose agenda to far this time.
    He is done for as a credible voice, no-one will take this mans words seriously again.

    About time.

    Posted by Kieronus | February 7, 2008, 6:47 pm
  55. This man is a dangerous lunatic. He should be sacked by his church as soon as possible. What he is proposing is treason against the rule of law in the UK, and a heresy against his own faith.

    Even more dangerous is the festering pestilence of Islam itself, burrowing its way into our culture and our freedoms.

    Every decent Englishman should look long and hard at why it is essential that they vote for the BNP. Only the BNP has the guts to deal with the problems which will, if left unchecked destroy our country. We must end immigration immediately, and then seek to deport all illegal immigrants back to where they came from. We must also outlaw the practice of Islam, and deport any who refuse to live by our laws. There are plenty of Islamic countries that they can be sent to, who will be more than happy to serve them up with a portion of sharia. Decent Englishmen have died to give us our freedom, we must stop this madness before any more English blood is spilt on English soil protecting OUR freedoms from a barbaric medieval death cult called Islam. Enoch must be turning in his grave at what this bishop has said, along with Churchill and all the other decent people who have fought for England.
    End this madness now, Out with the lot of them!!

    Posted by patriotbrit | February 7, 2008, 7:01 pm
  56. Surely, by now, we have all had enough of this bearded buffoon’s pronouncements.He has managed to split the church asunder with his dubious views on homosexuality. Now this. That old saying “It is the fool of the family who goes into the church”, has never been more apt.

    Posted by Ashmole | February 7, 2008, 7:03 pm
  57. Yea this is a good idea(NOT), if we want 0 human rights

    Posted by bron | February 7, 2008, 7:07 pm
  58. He’s on BBC24 now. And talking a load of pompous, self-important, absurd academic bollocks. He appears to have no connection with reality.

    Posted by Mister J | February 7, 2008, 7:16 pm
  59. They can have as much sharia law as they want

    When they go to live in saudi arabia

    If its so important to them - why dont they go home ?

    How hard can it be ?

    Posted by welshman69 | February 7, 2008, 7:23 pm
  60. When Communism was spreading its tentacles across the western world
    (the people behind Communism can be identified at another time)they had a phrase for naive halfwits who
    were in positions of authority but could not see the bigger picture,they called them “useful idiots”. Never has a phrase been more apt than in the case of Rowan Williams.These “useful idiots” did what they were told to advance the cause of Communism without ever seeing that they were being used.
    Substitute the word Communism for Islam or Common Purpose and his words become more understandable although still inexcusable.
    An even worse scenario is that Williams is actually aware of what he is doing in which case every church going Christian who loves this country should boycott every
    Church of England service until this man is replaced by someone who actually possesses a backbone and is prepared to stand up for the indigenous people of this country.

    Posted by laserman | February 7, 2008, 7:24 pm
  61. Apologies for getting over excited about Hook! I fell for the spin - never let your guard down. The ticker ‘Abu Hamza to be extradited’ actually means: 2 weeks to lodge an appeal (which his highly paid, legal aided, parasite lawyers have of course said they will) and most likely several more months before a final decision is made! Hidden agenda - always look for one!?

    Perhaps our mainstream cabal would like nothing more, than for this evil sub human to be extradited a week or so before a General Election. That might be worth thousands upon thousands of votes that would otherwise go to the BNP! Britain is finally rid of this thing but BNP pay the price - having done all the hard work?

    Politics is definitely a dirty business and not for the faint hearted, or for those who are easily disillusioned. Lets hope I’m getting overexcited again.

    Posted by Winston | February 7, 2008, 7:27 pm
  62. This is why we need a political party like the BNP to look after our interests. No other political party will stand up for us.

    This statement from the leader of the Church of England proves my point.

    Vote BNP.

    Posted by davidcopperfield | February 7, 2008, 7:28 pm
  63. I live in canterbury and I feel like someone should let this man know what a mistake he’s making. Maybe a st Georges cross with Judas written on it. Surely he knows who judas is.

    Posted by greyhound_in_the_slips | February 7, 2008, 7:30 pm
  64. Who will rid us of this gullible priest? And the rest of his ilk?

    Posted by insider | February 7, 2008, 7:36 pm
  65. Rowan Williams will go down in history as one of the major influences in the UK’s current race to the bottom. America has a far better multicultural attitude….your an American first and whatever your religion second.
    First it’ll be the muslims wanting special laws, then the Buddhists, then the Sikhs etc etc etc……if that’s the case then the Jedi’s should also have their religious beliefs incorporated into law…..including the ancient Jedi tradition of not paying tax!

    Thanks to Liberal apologists like the lunatic Williams and the idiotic McBroon the unelected I can see this country going the same way as all multicultural countries…….civil war

    Rather than just post our complaints on here, we should all be out campaining so that if there is another election the BNP will see massive growth in it’s elected base and it’s true political inffluence

    Posted by Andrdew W-G | February 7, 2008, 7:52 pm

    Posted by FREEENGLISHALLIANCE | February 7, 2008, 7:54 pm
  67. It’s interesting to see from the survey at the top of this news item that there are 30-odd muslims who have registered a vote in favour of sharia.
    Here is a message for you — It’s time to “Quit Britain”.
    You may think you have allies in high places, debauched and degenerate men and women whom we know you despise as much as we do. But these people will soon be swept from office, and may indeed be on trial for their miserable lives.
    “We The People” will do it.
    We will defend our country.
    The hint (at present) to you to leave applies equally to the criminal riff-raff that has infested our land, and brought us drugs and other wickedness unknown to our fathers.

    Posted by PJD | February 7, 2008, 7:55 pm
  68. I do just wonder if the Archbishop of Canterbury is as daft as he sounds? The backlash was clearly predictable. This will hopefully leave this loser government having to clean up their act and make sure that all these Barbarians following Sharia law are deported. (Prisons are full) Common Mr Brown, this is your que to get Sharia law “outlawed”

    Posted by daimon | February 7, 2008, 8:00 pm
  69. This prat wants stripping of his title! He has betrayed all good Christian people. This idiot has sold out…at what cost, Mr Williams??
    To think of all the trouble that Moses went to getting the Christians out of Egypt!!

    Posted by Dartford_patriot1 | February 7, 2008, 8:01 pm
  70. Sharia law? Fine by me. Just what we want in fact. Let them feel they can show us who they really are. And then let us kick them out of England…along with their traitor apologists…Mr Williams.

    Posted by Tony Rogers | February 7, 2008, 8:04 pm
  71. I would have been less surprised if the man had said that the Martians had landed.

    How close is this country to revolution? It can surely not be long.

    Posted by lesh | February 7, 2008, 8:10 pm
  72. “Rowan Williams told BBC Radio 4’s World at One that the UK has to “face up to the fact” that some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system.”

    Absolutely true. Folks like us simply do not recognise New Labour-invented thought crimes legislation or EU human rights legislation for foreign criminals, and so on, ad nauseam.

    “He says [add group here] should not have to choose between “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.”

    This guy really is talking our language. The State is our enemy now. Us English certainly wish to put our cultural loyalties before loyalties to a State which aims to destroy our culture. Mr Williams has obviously recognised this fact. Who’d have thought that Rowan Williams would subscribe to BNP principles?! Thank you Rowan, you’ve done us proud!

    Posted by Tony Rogers | February 7, 2008, 8:19 pm
  73. So its one law for them and another for us ??… are they expecting the British people to allow this injustice, over my dead body… Mr Williams the fake Archbishop of Canterbury about time u stood down. YOU are meant to represent the church of ENGLAND!!! you need to remember what that stands for…

    Anters age:16

    Ed Says: Well said Anters!

    Posted by Anters | February 7, 2008, 8:26 pm
  74. Are you sure these comments were indeed made by Rowan Williams and not ROWAN ATKINSON.Sadly Williams appears to be the better Comedian.
    He really must be joking if he thinks we Brits will accept this barbarity on our doorsteps.All this does is show ordinary people just how corrupt and out of touch our leading authoratative figures really are.

    What a bonus,”FREE PUBLICITY” to substantiate what we in the BNP have been saying for years.

    Lets make the most of this and go forward.”ONWARD CHRISTIAN SOLDIERS” sounds appropriate.

    Slowly the Nation awakes,our time IS coming.

    Posted by Ammanford-BNP | February 7, 2008, 8:26 pm
  75. Looking at these comments. I think the Druid has opened a can of angry worms.

    Posted by Brysea | February 7, 2008, 8:27 pm
  76. I’ve always thought that the best way to destroy something is to take the p*** out of it. “The Life of Brian” did a lot to destroy Christianity.

    I never thought I’d hear myself saying this, but we’ve got to support Christianity against the advancing dark hordes because, in reality, what sounds better to you? The sound of church bells, or the sound of wailing Muslims? We’re talking about the destruction of 2,000 years of religious history here.

    Not to mention such places as Avebury and Stonehenge. These sites have a huge cultural significance to us all that outweigh any islamic prayers, because these sites are linked to the ancient gods of Europe. Our gods stem from the beliefs of the Germanic people, and the people that built these ancient sites are our people.

    Anyway, is it just me or does Rowan Williams look a bit/ a lot Satanic? :D

    Posted by Donna Hancock | February 7, 2008, 8:28 pm
  77. It’s not surprising the church is in such decline when it’s leaders make such statements

    Posted by Robin-of-Loxley | February 7, 2008, 8:28 pm
  78. I reached into my pocket and pulled out a handfull of small change. One side of each coin is marked with its value with each coin differing in size and weight. Yet on the other side, each coin, regardless of size, weight or value is marked in EXACTLY the same way;ELIZABETH II - DG REG - FD and, of course, the date it was struck.
    Focus if you will on the letters FD, or FID DEF, or better still the translation DEFENDER OF THE FAITH (which Henry VIII was responsible for).
    I do hope that you log on to the BNP site occasionally Your Majesty as we need you to put into practise that which is indelibly marked on your coinage.
    P.S. The next garden party should be a perfect opportunity to arrest the majority of your guests. I’m sure the palace guards would appreciate some live fire moving target practice!

    Posted by busdriver | February 7, 2008, 8:45 pm
  79. Another member of Common Purpose comes “out of the closet”.

    Posted by Urien | February 7, 2008, 8:48 pm
  80. Hello, earth calling Rowin Williams, come in please, are you an idiot. If Muslims want sharia law then they can go to an islamic country were im sure they will be a lot happier for we the Indigenous people won’t allow this to happen. The failed social engineering project called Multi-Culturalism and the Liberal idiots who pushed this unwanted idea onto us with out our consent are soley to blame for this. It seems to me that what is happening is this we are being pushed and pushed and in the end if the BNP dont get in to power well i’m sorry for saying this but I fear a civil war is brewing I know some people will call me a scare mongrer but I feel that if we dont act now and see this as what it truly is - a wake up call for all of us, then i fear that this will come to pass…

    Posted by ENGL4ND3R | February 7, 2008, 8:56 pm
  81. Rowan William’s comments don’t surprise me in the slightest. I always knew he was a bleeding heart lefty who would let Islamic extremists get the better of him. For many years I have held the stance that no sane patriot should ever support the CofE. Could the BNP please do us a favour and disestablish this house of traitors.

    Islam might be the militant religion, but Protestant Christianity is the dry rot of the west. If the native British people rediscovered our Pagan past then the nation would be a much happier place to live.

    Posted by Dissident Congress | February 7, 2008, 9:08 pm
  82. Until we have a clear cut method to strangle people like Dr Rowan Williams at birth, then I don’t want any more Muslims coming into this country.

    You know, there was a time that I could stomach immigration, but the problem is the po-faced bleeding heart liberals who ruin it for all of us.

    Posted by hrhdtr | February 7, 2008, 9:11 pm
  83. “It’s interesting to see from the survey at the top of this news item that there are 30-odd muslims who have registered a vote in favour of sharia.”

    I’d bet you my bottom fiver that most of the people who clicked on “The sooner the better”, were in fact non-Muslim lefties. But yeah, my sentiments are the same. If you want Sharia law, what are you doing here? There is no end of Islamic states to go to.

    Posted by hrhdtr | February 7, 2008, 9:14 pm
  84. I’m ashamed to say, as a Welsh student, that this man, who by saying a few simple words has betrayed everything this country used to stand for, is Welsh.

    Posted by Daniel Owen | February 7, 2008, 9:23 pm
  85. The only good thing that can be said for this Marxist antichrist goat, is that he is an excellent recruiting sergeant for the BNP. Long may he rein

    Posted by peter the painter | February 7, 2008, 9:28 pm
  86. The BNP should personally thank woolly Liberals such as Rowan Williams, because statements like this will enrage Britons into action.

    I agree with the poster PJD…..those Muslims who voted for Sharia Law it is time to quit Britain along with any politicians who continue to peddle their treason…..

    Posted by The Hooded Man | February 7, 2008, 9:32 pm
  87. Never have I been so angry. Although I am an atheist I still believe in the christian way of life in this country and the western way. This Arch druid should be stripped of his office and bannished to an Islamic backyard.
    When will we start to rise up and tell these appeasers of Islame that Islam is not a religion but a political force that uses the relgion as a force to pacify any objection.That is why it gets away with every thing it asks for. This government and the Lib/Cons seem mesmerised in fear of offending even one Moslem. Something must be done PDQ before we end up as many other countries that have been taken over by islam. I preict that(as I have mentioned here before) that this country will be under Islamic rule by 2015 if it carries on as it is doing. With IDIOTS like this Bishop giving the go ahead that this government, will NO DOUBT adopt, it could even be sooner.
    Look how Nigeria and many othe states are being taken over. Nigeria acted as we are doing, They allowed a small area of Islamic settlers to have Sharia law, Now over half of the country is dominated by Islam.
    We should ban any and every fraction of this law that is being practiced in this country NOW with out exception starting with Polygamous families. They should not be reconised and any found should be deported without compensation. There is NO PLACE for TWO opposing LAWS.
    I thought that these people came here to get away from the tyrany of such oppressive laws, especially the women. Not bring them with them.
    The BNP must ensure that the Islamic people must give their women equal rights as ours.As soon as you gain power.
    What would the clergy say if we wanted 4 wives. Heaven forbid.
    Like Austrailia says. If you don’t wan’t to abide by our laws the get OUT, NOW. Idi Amin gave asians afew weeks to clear out of Uganda. Now I believe he was right. even though he should have been hung for his attrosities. We must stop the ROT NOW.
    I expect this subject will be a question on Any Quetions to night. should be worth listening to some of the MP,s. selling us down the river.
    I hope that many may now see the light and join the BNP or at least vote for it.

    Posted by vidulant | February 7, 2008, 9:33 pm
  88. All the rejections from the mainstream politicians of what Williams is calling for in regard to Sharia law are phony.
    Williams did not just wake up this morning and think this up.
    He knew how the mainstream politicians would react, and you can bet they knew he was going to say it.

    The next stage from the government will be some sort of ”compromise”, telling the lie that there are certain harmless aspects of Sharia law which do not interfere with the law of the land, and so they have no problem letting Sharia law operate in certain parts of our Country.

    Sharia is here in reality already in many of our Cites and Towns occupied by Muslims.

    Bit by bit, Sharia law intrudes into the life of this nation.
    Labour are happy for this to happen, so as to suck up the large Muslim vote which so many Labour MPs rely on to keep their seat, and of course to maintain a Labour government.

    Labour, and the Tories as well, are playing with fire with their appeasement to Islam in this country.

    Posted by John Mccaffrey | February 7, 2008, 9:38 pm
  89. This is the comment I have e-mailed to the Archbishop

    “I am absolutely disgusted at the way you have betrayed the Christian Faith.

    “You are a DISGRACE to the Church of England, of which I am a Communicant Member.

    “Even before the Magna Carta the laws of this great land of ours have ALWAYS been applied to ALL its citizens, irrespective of political and religious beliefs.

    “In one foul and un-thought out swoop , you, yes YOU, as the Head of the Anglican Communion have betrayed all that this great country has, and still stands for.

    “Archbishop, YOU have encouraged Islamic Fundamentalism that the Muslims have been unable to achieve by their own efforts.

    “You should be hanging your head in shame. I look forward to your resignation at the earliest possible moment


    Posted by DFB | February 7, 2008, 9:42 pm
  90. Absolutely agree with DFB.
    I always thought the Archbishop was barking mad, he has certainly proved it now.
    Absolutely unbelievable! Supposed to be head of the Christian church. Is he really so naive?
    There are none so blind as them that cannot see!
    There is, and can only be one law in this country, and the day that ends is the day this country ends!

    Posted by Despairing Dan | February 7, 2008, 10:17 pm
  91. Who will rid us of this tubulant priest?

    Posted by Phil | February 7, 2008, 10:21 pm
  92. Has the Archbishop lost his marbles - he is talking absolute rubbish and no doubt has probably infuriated and offended the majority of Christians in this country. He is a disgrace, and should learn to keep his mouth closed in future. We don’t want Sharia (barbaric) Law in this country thank you very much - I would rather be buried six feet under! Signed by a devoted Christian.

    Posted by Anthony | February 7, 2008, 10:26 pm
  93. Are we stark raving mad? How much more of this submission to Islam are we going to take?

    Posted by Clive Wakley | February 7, 2008, 10:30 pm
  94. WAR is coming to these shores. I posted a message only a few weeks ago regarding plans to change the British constitution in order to accept certain Islamic lawa.

    Notice how Brown hasn’t ruled this out. All he says is that laws will reflect the beliefs of British people.

    Believe me if they try this there will be a civil war.

    Posted by richard978 | February 7, 2008, 10:31 pm
  95. Can you add another section to the survey please…


    Mine and 20 million others. Rowan, resign, you have lost it, you are a disgrace to your faith!

    Posted by oldsoldier | February 7, 2008, 10:33 pm
  96. I repeat, we MUST get them out of our homeland, every last one of them - and they can take this bearded Quisling with them.

    Posted by Noel | February 7, 2008, 10:33 pm
  97. After you have resigned, surrender your passport and leave by the nearest exit. Islamic states are that-a-way >>>

    Posted by oldsoldier | February 7, 2008, 10:33 pm
  98. The Archbishop of Canterbury is a hell bound heretic and has committed a great sin unto this country, Christianity and to God Almighty. Hear this Mr Bishop – I got some Bible for ya: “Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger (foreigner), as for one of your own country: for I am the Lord you God” (Lev. 34/33) “They (priests) shall therefore keep mine ordinance, lest they bear sin for it and die therefore, if they profane it” (lev. 22/9) The Archbishop just put one fat curse on himself for spouting out that rubbish. He’s no Christian, he’s a Common Purpose serpent – theres only one person that spreads anti-Christic garbage and that’s the anti-Christ. May God pour His wrath out upon him. Scumbag.

    Posted by pat_riot | February 7, 2008, 10:35 pm
  99. This man has lost sight of the true nature of his job. He is there to support Christianity in this country. He is not there to pander to minorities or to try to be all things to all men. His constant attempts to underline his liberal credentials no doubt make him the darling of the Labour party. To ordinary people, however, he is either a laughing stock or a disgrace, depending on your point of view.

    Posted by Ernald | February 7, 2008, 10:48 pm
  100. The LibLabCon-trick/EUcommunist purpose party will pretend to distance itself, but the ArchDhimmi has given the game away!

    Posted by Dylan | February 7, 2008, 10:50 pm
  101. If they want their Sharia law there are plenty of Moslem countries they can go to to practice it. Would a Moslem country allow Christian incomers to change the law to suit them? No way!

    Posted by franny | February 7, 2008, 10:51 pm
  102. Does he not know what he has just started? A UK wide backlash against the man who is supposed represent our Church of England.

    It’s going to be a mementous year for the BNP but that idiot has become the catalyst of something that is going turn ugly just as Enoch Powell predicted.

    It’s time we fight back. NOW

    Posted by geigercounter | February 7, 2008, 10:52 pm
  103. Incredible. Even Gordon Brown is distancing himself from this pseudo-Christian lunatic.

    Dhimmis like Rowan Williams must be seen to pay for their mistakes and for their treason. Their deeds must not go unpunished, if Britons are to retain control of our own country. We can only hope and pray therefore that someone does a JFK or MLK on him.

    There is civil war coming to Britain and Europe, make no doubt about it. Any ideas on what event(s) will set it off?

    Posted by William of OC | February 7, 2008, 10:55 pm
  104. Dr Williams is an imbecile and traitor, every time he opens his mouth he speaks nonsense. Irrational belief systems should never, ever be allowed to trump secular law, Christianity included. There is one system of law in Britain that should apply equally to everyone. Islam and sharia ‘law’ is totally incompatible with basic human rights. If immigrants can’t or won’t abide by English law then they should leave and go to a country that shares the same barbaric values as them. Dr Williams should be fighting on our side, the English side.

    Maybe now is the time to stock-pile fuel, food and water?

    Posted by Britannia | February 7, 2008, 11:06 pm
  105. The arch bishop has just insulted the queen and Her majesty’s church and faith!! He should be sacked by the queen for treason.

    why dosent he get the hell out to of this country to sudan where sharia law is in practice and practice his christain faith there?


    Posted by Corrupt Britian | February 7, 2008, 11:17 pm
  106. Isn’t highly ironic that this priest believes that accepting a parallel legal system that is completely aien to our country will improve ’social cohesion’. Perhaps supporters of this madness could explain.

    One of the fundamental requirements of a nation and its culture is the way it enacts and enforces its laws.

    A parallel legal system is only indicative of a parallel state being gradually created within the state and separate from it.

    That is not social cohesion but fragmentation and deconstruction of a once cohesive state.

    The greatest benefit of a mono-racial, mono-cultural state is that the majority of its citizens accept shared norms of behaviour.

    That is no longer the case in our multi-culti rainbow nation, where the different races, colours and creeds are competing for greater recognition of their specific culture, at the expense of the indiginous population.

    ArchDruid Williams is yet another left wing ‘liberal’ who is hastening the complete demise of our nation, based on Judaic/Christian core values and beliefs.

    Sadly, I can see the day coming when we really are going to have to fight a war to reclaim our nation from the extremist left.

    Posted by Grumpygit | February 7, 2008, 11:18 pm
  107. The archbishop needs to keep his foolish mouth closed, unless he is prepared to argue for the introduction of Christian laws - in Saudi Arabia, that is. Let him show some guts - there’ll be no more talking from him.

    Posted by D Taylor | February 7, 2008, 11:24 pm
  108. .

    So Rowan Williams wants Sharia Law in Britain - is this guy barking, or just certifiable? These are extracts of Sharia Law from the Koran. Is this what Rowan Williams wants for Britain??

    This would dispose of Tony Blair (and the Labour Party) for a start.

    [5.33] The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides

    Are we to bring back hanging?

    [5.45] And We prescribed to them in it that life is for life, and eye for eye, and nose for nose, and ear for ear, and tooth for tooth, and (that there is) reprisal in wounds;

    Actually, there may be something to this Sharia stuff, can the guy who stole my car get a Sharia retrial?

    [5:38] Cut off the hands of thieves, whether they are male or female, as punishment for what they have done—this is a deterrent from God, for God is almighty and wise.

    (The Islamic god is generally racist, cruel, genocidal or all three simultaneously)

    This will stop women from working.

    [2.222] And they ask you about menstruation. Say: It is a discomfort; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean.

    This will clear the beaches of Spain and France.

    [4.15] And as for those who are guilty of an indecency from among your women, call to witnesses against them four (witnesses) from among you; then if they bear witness confine them to the houses until death takes them away.

    Ah, yes the equality that feminists have fought for for so long.

    [4.34] Men have authority over women because Allah has made one superior over the other … and (as to) those women on whose part you fear disobedience, admonish them, and send them to their beds and beat them.

    (Perhaps there is something to this Sharia business after all — sorry m’lud, I am not guilty of assault, I am just an ignorant Muslim…).

    This is more like it - can I have a few slave-girls?

    [23:1] Blessed are Muslims who … restrain their carnal desires (except with their wives and slave-girls).

    This will put women in their place.

    [2:228] Women shall have rights similar to those excercised against them. But men are superior to women. God is mighty and wise.

    This would teach my ex a lesson or two - can I administer the punishment?

    [24:2] The fornicatress and the fornicator, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, it is a punishment prescribed by Allah.

    The following are from the Hadith. This would close Stonewall and most of the BBC down for good. You know - I’m warming to this creed.

    [Abu Dawud 4447] If you find anyone doing as Lot’s people did, kill the one who does it, and the one to whom it is done.

    (Lot’s people, if you did not know, were indulging in buggery)

    Ah, yes, this is what the Liberals want. Can we do this outside Canterbury Cathedral, so Rowan can see the fruits of his great intellect in action?

    And when he had given command over her and she was put in a hole up to her breast, he ordered the people to stone her. Khalid Walid came forward with a stone which he threw at her head, and when the blood spurted on his face he cursed her. [Muslim no. 4206]

    And this is how the entire structure of Islam and Sharia is maintained - threats of death.

    The Muslim deserves death for doing any of the following.
    (1) Reviling Allah or his Messenger
    (2) being sarcastic about Allah’s name, His command, His interdiction, His promise, or His threats
    (3) denying any verse of the Quran
    (4) holding that any of Allah’s messengers or prophets are liars, or to deny their being sent
    (5) reviling the religion of Islam
    (6) being sarcastic about any ruling of the Sacred Law (Reliance of the Traveler pp. 597—98, o8.7):

    And this selection is but a small fraction of the barbarity of Sharia, this is what Rowan Williams wants in Britain. Plus - how can you have one rule for one and another rule for another. Can I become Christio-Muslim and get the best of both worlds?

    Sharia Law.

    This is a list of Islamic attacks in 2006.

    This is the list for 2005:

    And for 2004:


    Posted by ralf | February 7, 2008, 11:29 pm
  109. The archbishop seems more dangerous than Hitler! That’s alarming!

    Posted by D Taylor | February 7, 2008, 11:30 pm
  110. There seems to be plenty of furious Christians here. Perhaps they aren’t aware that the CofE and the government are solidly interlocked with each other, and the CofE isn’t just a religion but a political tool. Yes, a political tool.

    Long standing patriots like myself have known this for years, but it still hasn’t registered in the minds of many Christian reactionaries against Islam. This is why I’m not surprised in the slightest what has happened whilst others here are shocked beyond belief. I predicted this day would come several years ago.

    The establishment is the real enemy of this nation and its people. All these plans to impose Sharia law is actually an excuse to impose Orwellian style control measures on its citizens.

    Posted by Dissident Congress | February 7, 2008, 11:34 pm
  111. .

    And where are all the vociferous feminsts who have campaigned for equal rights for women for decades?

    Too busy supporting Hammas against Israel. Serve them right if their reward was Sharia Law.



    Posted by ralf | February 7, 2008, 11:41 pm
  112. i have just emailed the archbishop to let him know how i feel about his comments regarding muslims in the uk. his email address is wwww.archbishopofcanterbury.org he needs to know how ridiculous his comments are!

    Posted by wozzerone | February 7, 2008, 11:58 pm
  113. You have just assured us Archbishop of our 2nd seat on the GLC. Thank you.

    On a personel note you are a disgrace to your cloth. It is no wonder we are a seculer society with people like you leading the flock.

    Seen one of your Bishops on Newsnight he looked frigtned to death to give the interviewer any answer to her questions in case they were not politically correct. At least the Muslim religous leaders have some bottle not like our pathetic wimps.

    Posted by davidcopperfield | February 8, 2008, 12:04 am
  114. His comments are perfect examples why ordinary people join the BNP .
    We need someone to lead us from this leftie-political correct mayhem.We are a Christian nation and expect some leadership from our so called “Christian Leaders “not some politically correct arsehole

    Posted by max1999 | February 8, 2008, 12:25 am
  115. .

    The Church of England is dead in the water - totally irrelevant to our modern society.

    However, I am not so pleased about the resurgent Catholic Church and Islam making great strides and waves.

    Anyone got a punt gun??




    Posted by ralf | February 8, 2008, 12:51 am
  116. Nothing surprises me any more. The old fool has such an advanced case of Political Correctness Disease that I shan’t even be surprised if he meets with some wealthy Saudis and agrees, as a gesture of solidarity with Islam, to transfer Canterbury Cathedral to them, so that they can demolish it and build a shiny, new, gold plated Mosque in its place.

    Posted by Herbert Thornton | February 8, 2008, 1:21 am
  117. Is Rowan a BNP Member? Have we started to employ 7th (virgin) Columnists? Maybe he’s not as daft as he looks after all. The irony of it. Here’s all of us, ridiculing him for all he’s worth and all the time, he’s one of us!

    It’s the only explanation that makes any sense. After all, nobody can be that stupid in an eternal lifetime. I hope BNP have got a witness protection programme organised for this daft bugger and his poor soul.

    Posted by Winston | February 8, 2008, 1:50 am
  118. I love this one the archbishop is dishonest there must be something in it for him he knows nothing about equality he proved that when I wrote the Archbishop of Canterbury and made a complaint that one of his archdeacon`s lead a conspiracy to hide a direct racial incident that. That racial incident was acknowledged at a Race Equity meeting where I was present and as chair of the organisation the archdeacon agreed that I would get an apology from the organisation to this day I never got this agreed apology, so much for the Church of England protecting racists it seems he supports ethnic minorities before the indigenous peoples of the UK. Ps I still have that letters to prove that if interested contact me.

    Posted by Wallace | February 8, 2008, 1:53 am
  119. Bring on the GLC….


    Posted by Jake | February 8, 2008, 1:58 am
  120. at this rate we will all be seeking refuge on lundy island in the bristol channel.it was an islamic slave trading mission 1631-1636.thousands of british & irish (inc welsh) ended their lives in misery in n.africa.our past is our future.

    Posted by lundyisle | February 8, 2008, 2:44 am
  121. google in” barbary pirates” or “white gold”and find out about the sale &algiers,cornwall, baltimore co.cork,iceland,nova scotia,sardinia,sicily,ulcinj or otranto.the us marines made their name on “the shores of tripoli” to save hostages in 1812.kirk douglas and ul bryner made a film “the light at the end of the world”it shows you whats coming for us all.

    Posted by lundyisle | February 8, 2008, 2:55 am
  122. Here is a copy of the mail i sent to the Archbishop.

    Ref Sharia law,Yesterday the archbishop made some comments about Sharia law and he said that we should not have one law for all,for the Muslim community are finding intergration a bit hard because of their religeon..I would like to ask what the hell Captain Coconut ie the archbishop is doing in making thease comments.If he feels so strongly about this why does he not stand down and convert to islam beacuse im totaly suprised that he never brought thease comments up,he may well as done so the man is a complete fool.Sharia law will never take prescident over our laws and if some muslims feel that they do not like this well they know were the airport is perhaps they should leave and hopefully the archbishop will go with them as well,lets see how long he will last in a muslim dominated country not long is my guess.Do us all a favour stand down now for you are not fit to do the job you are supposed to be doing you fool…

    Posted by ENGL4ND3R | February 8, 2008, 2:58 am
  123. “some of its citizens do not relate to the British legal system”


    Then perhaps these “citizens” should go to a country whose legal system they relate to. Like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, etc…

    If the muslims gets their own laws, then a lot of immigrants will want theirs as well.

    What if a native Brit doesn’t agree with a certain law? Can he just break it under the presumption that he doesn’t relate to it?

    This is completely ludicrous, i think the Archbishop should resign.

    Posted by Alex | February 8, 2008, 4:30 am
  124. What’s unavoidable now is Rowan Williams’ featured appearance at the Day of the Rope!

    Posted by Weythran | February 8, 2008, 4:54 am
  125. Crude expletives on this site do nothing for the BNP’s reputation. I’m surprised they are printed. Please don’t give me all that garbage about free speech. Nick Griffin speaks freely and articulately void of profanities. It’s a shame for those members who want the party to be taken seriously, that the minority get through and spoil it.

    Posted by godballsoffire | February 8, 2008, 5:28 am
  126. sky news just conducted a poll for those who agree or disagree for sharia law. 12% agreed which tells me there is a 12% muslim population in britain. quite a bit more than official government figures

    Posted by rsmith | February 8, 2008, 7:04 am
  127. Shame I can’t possibly add anything to this incredible set of posts. Everything’s been said, but can’t we now really DO SOMETHING? The flemish Vlaams Belang (I am a member) really have got their act together with a movement called “Steden Tegen Islamisering” (Cities Against Islamisation” contactable on http://www.citiesagainstislamisation.com) and seem to be taking positive, organised action. So when are we going to start? Now, for example? Demonstration outside Lambeth Palace?

    Posted by John L | February 8, 2008, 7:16 am
  128. Surely something as important as this should be put to a vote.And by that i mean only non muslims should vote as to whether to allow this barbaric law into our (once)fine country.If they crave this law so much,then s*d-off to a country that supports it,not ours!

    Posted by Si | February 8, 2008, 7:19 am
  129. The LibLabCon appeasers have moved swiftly to “distance” themselves from Archbishop Dhimmi’s comments. But in a sense the Holy Fool is absolutely correct, given the high immigration and birthrates which fuel the alarming speed of alien colonisation, Sharia Law is inevitable in the rapidly expanding occupied territories.

    Of course Archbish Dhimmi’s response is naturally to run up the white flag. There is only one movement which can save us from the failed state hell the liberal elite are concocting. And one also hopes that General Dannatt is keeping a wary eye upon developments. If we are to saved the BNP and the Army are absolutely key. The greedy rabble in Parliament have failed us utterly.

    Thanks for that wozzer(11.58pm), I shall do likewise.

    Posted by neversurrender | February 8, 2008, 8:21 am
  130. This is a plan devised by the main parties to hit the BNP.Blairs appointment is only the vehicle to do this.The BNP has been the only party saying that we could be heading for sharia law and is winning too much support from the people of this land.This minority of trouble should be deported,the whole lot.

    Posted by Nostradamus | February 8, 2008, 8:23 am
  131. Wide awake
    I had a dream, I couldn’t get a bacon butty
    I had a dream, I couldn’t get a gammon steak
    I had a dream, I couldn’t get a beer with my mate
    Don’t be silly I’m wide awake living in a Islamic state
    Now for the people of Britistan to be
    The only hope for you and me
    Is to embrace the voice of the BNP
    A voice for you a voice for me
    A voice of truth and reality
    So wake up sleepy heads, before Friday prayers
    That’s not your mother coming up the stairs
    It will be off with your head
    And your Nation will be DEAD.


    Posted by dave | February 8, 2008, 8:35 am
  132. Quoting the Archbishop:
    “… it is not as if we are bringing in an alien and rival system.”

    No, of course not.
    Who could think such a thing, or that he was acting on orders from the liblabcon?

    Posted by Dylan | February 8, 2008, 8:49 am
  133. This man will hopefully burn in hell. Unfortunately, some other idiot will replace him under our current evil government.

    Every day, we are hearing more and more negative publicity about Islam and it’s followers. Islam has proven that it can’t integrate - Islam means ’submit’ - and ALL must do it for it to be happy. For too long the natural inhabitants of this once great country have turned the other way to this for fear of a backlash/being labelled a racist.

    However, I’m glad to say that more and more people are starting to see sense. As money get’s tighter, living get’s harder, and more people get sick of the Islam cult, then people will forget the word ‘racism’ and use common sense and oppose (by whatever means) this virus of a religion.

    Islam is destroying this country… who’s going to do something about it then?

    Posted by Belial | February 8, 2008, 9:21 am
  134. I’m afraid Williams is simply facing up to the reality of the situation.

    You can’t import millions of alien people, tell them they have the right to enjoy their culture unhindered under the doctrine ot ‘multiculturalism’ and then forbid them to organise themselves according to the rules of that culture, Sharia law.

    It was comic to listen to a New Labour spokesman on the ‘Today ‘ programmes talking about John Locke and a ‘civil society.’ Locke, like other political philosophers of his era was operating in a racially, culturally and (broadly) religiously homogenous Christian society.

    The point this spokesman missed deliberately or otherwise is that his government has destroyed the one society and allowed the development of many, such as the Islamic in the fatuous belief that this arrangement would work. It doesn’t.

    Something has got to give, and the way things look thanks to the incredible stupidity and weakness of our leaders and to the rapidly expanding Moslem population, it is our way of doing things, not Sharia law.

    Posted by lance | February 8, 2008, 9:24 am
  135. M’be Dr W should read this very carefully …
    This royal throne of kings, this sceptered isle,
    This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars,
    This other Eden, demi-paradise,
    This fortress built by Nature for herself
    Against infection and the hand of war,
    This happy breed of men, this little world,
    This precious stone set in the silver sea,
    Which serves it in the office of a wall
    Or as a moat defensive to a house,
    Against the envy of less happier lands,–
    This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England.

    Posted by English oldgit | February 8, 2008, 10:04 am
  136. Damm these stupid bed wetting liberals!!
    Winston Churchill had this to say about muslims
    How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries. Improvident habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the followers of the Prophet rule or live. A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and refinement; the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his absolute property - either as a child, a wife, or a concubine - must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.

    Individual Moslems may show splendid qualities. Thousands become the brave and loyal soldiers of the Queen; all know how to die; but the influence of the religion paralyses the social development of those who follow it. No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa, raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science - the science against which it had vainly struggled - the civilisation of modern Europe might FALL, as fell the civilisation of ancient Rome

    Posted by johnny7 | February 8, 2008, 10:16 am
  137. The people who should really be concerned over this - is our women.

    If we allow sharia law in this country, how long (not long at all judging by the amount of filth that comes in each day) until Sharia law is in fact - THE LAW.

    That means that I, a proud, white woman of England would be forced to cover my head and talk to no man apart from my husband or relation.

    Women of this country need to start sticking up for themselves - the freedom our great grandmothers were denied and which we subsequently have - will be reversed.

    The suffragettes, like the men of Britains war - will have all died in vain, if we allow this.

    I am thrilled to see so much uprising against that stupid stupid mans comments. With christian and english religious leaders like that - who on earth needs asylum!!!! Our own people seem to want to help destroy this country from within.

    Dont allow it. Vote BNP. x

    Posted by MaidMarion1986 | February 8, 2008, 10:50 am
  138. Can any Christian really attend a church headed by this idiot?

    Posted by DaveSA | February 8, 2008, 11:00 am
  139. The thin end of the wedge! A few years ago we had a request from our Muslim friends to join our state run school. We had meetings to discusss their requirements which all seemed reasonable then within three years the school was predominantly muslim with the white kids being forced out by restrictive practices and rules all supported by the LEA.
    Bottom line is give them an inch they will not stop until they have taken everything, this is the ethos of Islam. They will not mix with westerners nor will they fully accept our way of life. This “request” must be resisted by all.

    Posted by exile | February 8, 2008, 11:27 am
  140. Perhaps McBean-The-Unelected would explain to us the contradiction in his statement that British laws should not be undermined by other laws running in parallel with them when only this week we learned that his excuse for a government is to use taxpayers’ money to fund up to four wives of the adherents of the religion of peace - something for which the taxpayer would face 7 years in jail!
    He is a hypocrite to his very core.

    Posted by Lickyalips | February 8, 2008, 12:02 pm
  141. Personally I’d be quite happy for muslims to live under Sharia Law in this country.

    I certainly wouldn’t lose any sleep if they were to start beheading one another.In fact I would provide them with free guillotines.

    No doubt the government would allow them to be trated for their injuries on the NHS though and then pay them disability benefit for limb amputations.

    Posted by Reformed_Character | February 8, 2008, 1:36 pm
  142. ‘Abu Hamza to be kicked across the Pond!’ says our Winston. Unfortunately, not quite yet. We have the beloved ‘European Court of Human Rights’ to contend with yet, and their precious ‘Human Rights Act’. You see, there are safeguards in place to check British justice and keep it in its place.

    And who will continue paying for this charade?

    Posted by apendragon | February 8, 2008, 1:39 pm
  143. I am sick and tired of listening to the Muslim Council of Britain when they say that Britain is a tolerant country. Yes to a certain extent, but not when it comes to their religion. We will not tolerate sharia law, and will not sit back and let Islam take over Christianity in this country. If I had my way, I would close down all Mosques, and terminate the MCB’s existence. Muslims have been having their voices heard for far too long now, and it’s about time the Christians and athiests had their say. We must all stand proud together and stop the Islamisation taking over this country before it‘s too late!

    Posted by Anthony | February 8, 2008, 2:30 pm
  144. As I write, around 15,000(!!!) comments have been sent in the space of 24 hours to the BBC’s Have Your Say website about Dr William’s statement. The site is now collapsing at times because of the sheer volume and web editors have practically given up on trying to post any more. Almost certainly by the time you read this a few thousand more comments will have been sent. Enough said.

    Posted by cheesed off | February 8, 2008, 2:41 pm
  145. Give them an inch and they will take a mile.

    When in Rome do as the Romans do, Or get the hell out!

    Posted by Mendal | February 8, 2008, 3:36 pm
  146. This article has produced a record number of comments, 145 so far and still counting.

    It has clearly gone to the heart of ‘Britishness.’

    The archbishop’s remarks have -rightly - spurred many commentators, whether professing Christians or not, to speak out in support of the nominally national religion, that of Christian belief, as embodied explicitly in the Coronation Oath.

    I guess it illustrates how even something abstract, like a belief system, can suddenly increase greatly in value if it is perceived to be under threat.

    In the case of Rowan Williams’s blasphemous remarks - because Islam is itself a blasphemy in that it denies the central tenet of Christianity, that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in 20 passages of the Qur’an and for that reason alone Islam should not even be allowed to exist in the UK, let alone be tolerated and encouraged to proliferate - a simple remedy is at hand.

    This remedy is the scriptures themselves, the 1611 English Holy Bible, the translation of which was authorized by King James 1st in 1604. Solomon, a king himself, wrote in Ecclesiastes 8:4a, “Where the word of a king is, there is power…”

    This is therefore the Book that has the power - none of the versions that followed it were commissioned by a king and so they have no power. They are, without exception, sterile counterfeits.

    But this Book, the 1611 Authorized Holy Bible, has the power to authorize what should be done. The national church, by means of appropriate synod or whatever and due process, should summarily defrock Rowan Williams and expel him from office, on the grounds that he has wilfully violated one of the essential conditions that must be rigorously upheld in the office of bishop (and by extension archbishop).

    This condition is explicitly expressed in St Paul’s Letter to Titus, Chapter 1, verses 7-9:

    “For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God…Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.”

    By his blasphemous remarks, the archbishop has himself become one of “the gainsayers” and he should therefore be summarily removed.

    If neither the national church nor Her Majesty, who is the titular head of the national church, insofar as even the archbishop is one of “my clergy,” will not take appropriate action, then the ultimate Head of the church Himself* would have to intervene directly.

    *Ephesians 5:23, “Christ is the head of the church.”

    Such intervention promises to be decisive. The last time the Head of the church intervened directly in the affairs of men where Islam was concerned was on October 8th, 2005.

    70,000+ Islamicists suddenly went to hell, not paradise, and Allah couldn’t lift a finger to prevent it.

    Archbishop Williams and all other supporters of sharia law, should take careful note.

    Posted by Alanorei | February 8, 2008, 4:26 pm
  147. The oddly appointed Welsh leader of the Church of England? states “Muslims should not have to choose between the stark alternative of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”
    Would he then also agree, that the English should not have to choose between their cultural loyalty or state loyalty?
    Would he be happy that the English can finally ignore the state and freely promote our culture, traditions and identity without the state frowning upon it or demonising it?

    Posted by Londweard | February 8, 2008, 4:31 pm
  148. We can rant, moan, yell and rail against this until we’re blue in the face - but the stark fact is that sharia law WILL be introduced into our society. No question.

    And the British will stand for it. There will be no rebellion, no revolution, no civil war, and not even much civil ‘disobedience’.

    There are a few courageous people, men and women, who WOULD support such action, but it won’t happen. Because the good old ’stiff upper lipped’ British will simply sit back, making quiet noises among themselves, and wait for someone else to make the first move.

    Whoever makes the first move will be a hero of epic proportions, but I won’t be holding my breath for the return of King Arthur just yet.

    No wonder the indigenous Brits are leaving the country in droves. We are fiddling while Britain burns - will the last Englishman to leave please turn out the lights?….

    Posted by southernbelle | February 8, 2008, 5:53 pm
  149. Well, I am so enraged by this that I emailed the Druid Williams.
    Here’s a copy:


    I am astonished and dismayed that you, a senior figure in the church and someone who purports to be a christian, are advocating the inclusion (in whatever manner) of sharia law.
    Christianity is a religion of mercy and compassion - how can that view ever be compatible with a law which comprises limb amputation for theft, stoning to death for adultery and beheadings???

    There are many who think you should be removed from your position. I agree with them.


    Posted by southernbelle | February 8, 2008, 6:23 pm
  150. .






    Posted by ralf | February 8, 2008, 7:11 pm
  151. Maybe these idiotic leaders who supposively represent ‘us’ are hoping that Islam will spread across Europe in the same style as what constantine did. However they fail to grasp that this will not be peaceful. Racism aimed against non-pakistani/arab decent will rule. Just look at their attitude towards Jews, I can imagine what they have in store for their ex-caucasion masters. Their attitude towards killing animals is discusting. Then theres the male orientated society which will eventually smash ‘feminism’. Slavery is just an example of what might rear its ugly head among other horrors.
    Accepting Sharia law here will allow these 21st Century equivelent of the Nazis to destroy our society. This is not even multiculuralism anymore, ITS MUSLIMCULTURALISM.
    This stepping stone for them reminds me of what occured when the Allies allowed Germany to take Czechslovakia. We are likely to reap the rewards of this stupid move by getting our wonderful ArchBishop to preach to us.

    I just hope the people in this country WILL fight if they have to, rather than bow down like sheep to the slaighter.

    Posted by Chriswill | February 8, 2008, 7:22 pm
  152. Nobody wants violence, but people who i listen to in the trade i am in, while i am sat drinking Tea and eating my breakfast early in the morning (traditional English workers) Building trade!
    This section of society is getting wound up good and proper, but i get the feeling they are expecting things to work out by themselves, i keep quiet and listen, I know it’s going to all go up in the air pretty soon, I always thought this lot ignored the news and information (HALF TRUTH’S) coming out from the daily papers and TV but they Don’t, they know whats going on, Upset this lot, and all hell will break loose!
    personally I CANT WAIT, The time for talk and no action is close coming to and end, we are the only ones to blame.

    Posted by vanbercamp | February 8, 2008, 7:32 pm
  153. I will surely be voting BNP.

    Posted by Johnny-Brit | February 8, 2008, 7:39 pm
  154. southernbelle,

    You are clearly an appeaser whether you want to admit it or not. This country has survived countless invasions and will survive many more.

    The natives of this country need a kick up the behind at the moment… and I mean that well (seriously) due to this brainwashing NuLiarBore mafia outfit that ‘run’ the country.

    The BNP offer a refreshingly new perspective on current issues. Whether you agree with their policies is up to you. However they do tell the truth… not the enforced propaganda that most media outlets (especially the Beeb) portray as ‘fact’.

    I suggest you get your coat and leave… you are not welcome here.

    Posted by Belial | February 8, 2008, 7:49 pm
  155. One Land
    One Law
    One People

    Posted by MayHawk | February 8, 2008, 8:27 pm
  156. I don’t see any Christians ranting and raving on our streets, or waving any placards ‘Death to those who insult Christianity’ or ‘Behead those who insult Christianity’, but then again it is a calm and peaceful religion, unlike the Muslim faith. NO TO SHARIA LAW.

    Posted by Anthony | February 8, 2008, 8:33 pm
  157. Belial -

    I don’t think you read my post very thoroughly. Or you have misunderstood.
    Far from wanting to appease anyone, I am simple despairing of the situation this country finds itself in, and I don’t think anyone is going to stand up and say to our ‘politicians’ enough is enough.

    For your information, I am a fully paid up member of the BNP. I support all the policies (with the exception of capital punishment) and will most certainly vote for them at any and every opportunity - and in fact, did so last year in our local elections.

    So I won’t be getting my coat and leaving. I’ll be staying to swell the numbers of those who want to see a return to the England we once had, before mass immigration brought slow but sure ruin to the country.

    Posted by southernbelle | February 8, 2008, 10:06 pm
  158. Hi, I am new to this website, and will shortly be joining the BNP, as a result of the good Archtosser’s loony suggestion, and also as a result of the ruling that layabout, unemployable muslims can get additional benefits if they have two or more wives. If a real British person tried it on, they’d be jailed for bigamy. (Naturally, I mean someone who has, shall I say, a little bit more of a genuine connection with this country than someone with a shiny new British passport fresh off the plane from Islamabad).
    Anyway, I am sick of the way pc liberals and Labourites have turned parts of MY home city into a glorified souk.
    Time to stand up and be counted, I guess. See you all around from time to time.

    Posted by Proud tobeBritish | February 8, 2008, 10:40 pm
  159. Welcome to the website Proud tobeBritish, glad to have you with us! :)

    Posted by Adam | February 8, 2008, 11:43 pm
  160. I have been a closet supporter of the BNP for a while now mainly reading in the background and making my own mind up about the situation. After hearing the comments of the “Archtosser” well that was the last straw for me.

    Thanks Rowan because of you I will now be going to the very next BNP meeting in my area followed by prompt membership. In addition my retired parents who live in the last bastion of middle England’s Green and Pleasant land have also expressed an interest in the BNP as well as several other people I know.

    Mark my words up until now people in this country have largely been living the high life in a credit bubble. When the sun shines and people believe they are wealthy they don’t care about Muslims and illegal immigrants.

    Those times are coming to an end and reality is about to bite people hard in the backside as the competition for works and housing increases. As someone stated in an earlier post….war is coming to these shores…..and I for one agree with that.

    Posted by The Hooded Man | February 9, 2008, 8:56 am
  161. I urge every member or supporter to spend 30p on a stamp and make your views known to this clown. We can together help force his resignation. He can spend his newly found spare time fully converting to islam. Please do it today and send to

    Lambeth Palace


    SE1 7JU

    Posted by markymarkuk | February 9, 2008, 10:11 am
  162. I feel the most contriversual issue concering this story is that it as bought out to the public that Sharia Law is already in effect in England right now!
    So is Jewish Law.

    The big question is… what are we going to do about it?

    Posted by Londweard | February 9, 2008, 10:34 am

    Posted by samba | February 9, 2008, 10:37 am
  164. Hello, I am from Ireland I hope you don’t mind me posting as we don’t have anyone over here with the courage to speak out like the BNP.

    Firstly, I am Catholic and have traced my family all the way back to the 11th century. I was bred, born, and raised here just like my parents.

    Despite this, I have seen my rights as a citizen slowly being shat on by my government and the “do gooders”. I have seen family and friends deliberately put out of work in favour of non-nationals. I have seen non-nationals housed by our local authorities over my own.

    Most of all, I have seen our citizenship being handed out to non-nationals who have deliberately come here to abuse our citizenship laws by giving birth only hours after getting off the airplane.

    Many of these non-nationals are muslim from the likes of Nigeria, Pakistan, etc. Others are from the influx of the accession states as part of the European union who have ghettoised many parts of my own community and who behave like animals around the area in all aspects of life.

    Our pride as Christians is slowly disappearing along with our rights. We all fought for what we have today - liberty, freedom, our Constitution.

    I am tired of being called a racist and being told that we must recognise “their” rights when mine are being shit on and ignored as I already outlined.

    Here in Ireland right now, our Catholic parish-run schools have begun a policy of holding back applications from long-standing Catholic and other Christian parents so that non-baptised, non-Catholic, non-Christian children of asylum seekers, muslims, etc., can get schooled. In other words, our own baptised children are now being put out of school for them.

    I recently read that Catholics are the largest demonination in Ireland at over 3 million, followed by Protestants at around 650 thousand.

    The number of Muslims in Ireland now reaches almost 500 thousand in just under 10 years. How the hell did this happen - it happened because the “do gooders” and “bleeding hearts” opened our country to an invasion of so-called asylum seekers who came here in droves to parasite off the Irish, many of whom, according to security services, have set up al queda support networks and preach jihad.

    When these muslims came to both our great lands, many of them claimed asylum on the grounds of abuses under Sharia law. Should they now be sent packing and should future applications be denied on those grounds if their fellows are successful in their latest round of demands? I certainly think so.

    I am obliged to respect and uphold the laws of my nation as a citizen. As a Catholic, I am bound by Canon Law - if I commit a criminal act, I am not punished by my church but by the state. Simple as that.

    If I went to a muslim country and demanded that Canon Law be recogised, what do you think would happen? My head would very quickly be sawn off and a video posted of it on the internet.

    As usual, we natural-born citizens are expected to lay down our beliefs and be dictated to by a bunch of parasitic invaders who would just as quickly slit my mother’s throat and burn my church.

    The time has come when we all need to step back and ask ourselves; “Where are we living and whose country is this?”

    I for one am fed up and because the cowardly politicians are too gutless to do anything, then maybe it’s about time that another civil war cleansed both of our great lands of this invasion.

    Whatever the past history of our two nations may be, we will always be united on this issue and will always seek to preserve our values, state, and laws - sometimes in order to preserve that which you honour, you need to go to war.

    On a final note, if these muslims wish to live in a sharia state then let them buy an airplane ticket and get out. They are unwelcome, came here of their own choice, and were very quick to come to both of our nations with the sole purpose of leeching off our welfare, social, and employment services and were happy to do so.

    They will abide only by the laws of our lands or f**k off back to where they came from where they are free to decapitate their wives and daughters and stone their neighbours to death.

    Where are all the bleeding hearts now?

    Is it now time once again to fight for our liberty and our homes? I believe so.

    Posted by daybreak | February 9, 2008, 1:33 pm
  165. Funny how the media can come out defending what Dr. williams said, bemoaning and berating those who have apparently taken his comments out of context. I actually heard one journalist on Sky this morning saying how it was the publics fault that they didn’t understand the context of what was said, and that Dr. Williams was somehow being unfairly treated.

    And yet for years we have had a media who twist and distort everything the representatives of traditional establishments say, and there weapon of choice has been to ‘decontextualize’ their opponents comments.

    The media are pathological liars and manipulators, and have the same mental afflication as politicians, con-men and criminals, in that they will say and do absolutely anything at any time and to anyone to get what they want regardless of the truth. Truth to these people is a relative concept - relative to how it serves their purpose.

    We live in dangerous times, because history has shown that when such overt abuse and deception manifests in the ruling elite then social uprising inevitably follows. However, those in their ivory towers belive that somehow history is about others, and that their onmipotence means they are beyond reproach - they have the insanity of many a tyranny.

    Posted by Mag Mell | February 9, 2008, 1:46 pm
  166. 3 men, an Irish farmer, Osama binbag laden and an English man are all granted a wish each by a genie. Irish farmer wished all the land in Ireland to be forever furtile. This was done in a flash. Binbag was amazed, I want a wall all around all Muslim countries so no Western infidels can come into our precious land. In a flash a great wall appeared around all Muslim countries. English man said tell me more about the wall. Genie says it’s 5000 ft high, and 5000ft thick, nothing gets in and nothing gets out. English man smiles, lights a hamlet and says……..fill it with water!

    Well one can wish.

    Posted by whenarewegoingtowakeup | February 9, 2008, 2:46 pm
  167. Daybreak
    Welcome aboard ! It is now a case of united we stand or divided we fall. Your island is a bit smaller than ours so it must be a lot worse (if that is at all possible).
    Please tell all your friends and get them joining the BNP. It is our only hope ! You irish are a fearsome bunch of warriors - always have been and always will be. Don’t let this opportunity pass us by. We need to act NOW!

    Posted by THELMA H | February 9, 2008, 3:10 pm
  168. Daybreak: My blood boils when I hear reports like yours, of the Emerald Isle being overrun by these invaders and being taken apart by thousands of scrounging aliens with a hostile agenda. This invasion is aided and abetted by pathetic politicians who bow and scrape to every demand of the Euro-dogmatist culture destroyers. People here are all too aware of Moslem strongholds taking root - at least, we at the BNP are - and yet somehow, witnessing it going on in Ireland is even worse.

    We are being shafted by International Communists whose main weapon in mass uncontrolled immigration. These hideous excuses for human beings have sawdust for brains and their entire plot is based on a lie. The invasion has been accelerated since 2004, the intention being to swamp us in our own land. By the time people sit up and take notice, half the country is full of unwelcome aliens we didn’t invite and let’s face it, we don’t want.

    It’s now clear to anyone but a complete moron, that this multicultural catastophe has to be brought to an end. Human beings do not react kindly to their land being taken over - it’s as simple as that. No amount of fancy, fashionable, political pseudo-theory can alter human nature: we all have our breaking point and we will reassert our rights, by whatever means necessary. What those means are, depends on how much further we allow this situation to develop. It’s now at a ‘tipping point’, and firm action must be taken before we’re all waking up in a foreign land.

    Certain foreign cultures simply DO NOT BELONG HERE and there’s no use pretending that we can ‘integrate’ or forge some kind of acceptable future, when there is such an obvious gulf of difference in aspirations and values. They hate the West and everything it stands for, and their aim is to infiltrate and destroy it, and us. I’m sick and tired of hearing the apologists and the multiculturalists blabbing on about ‘enrichment’ and ‘integration’ and all that rubbish. It’s exposed as the seditious garbage it is, for everyone to see. Invasion is invasion, however you try to dress it up. This one is dressed up in a European Union cloak, while our leaders look on in awe and wonder why we have things like a 35% increase in serious crime, collapsing public services and a nation increasingly resembling a tinder-box.

    God help Ireland. Get organised and fight back. We don’t have to take this. Love, Patrick.

    Posted by apendragon | February 9, 2008, 6:00 pm
  169. Daybreak,
    my dad is Irish and his relatives keep telling him how bad it is getting over there,i dont think he really believes it though. Your post may alert him more to the truth. I was in Dublin recently and its barely recognisable as an Irish city now,such are the numbers of clearly non Irish.
    Also,on a ferry to Dublin in 2003 a Polish girl begged me to give her a lift in my car onto the boat. She seemed desperate and it was difficult to say no so i agreed. I noticed she was heavily pregnant and was acting very strange,she wanted to hide from the ferry staff.Soon afterwards i learned of the passport fiasco in which those with children born in Ireland were eligible for a Irish passport,and realised what she had been up to.
    She conned me,and the Irish that day. You are tolerant people like we are,and are paying the price of appeasement. We are all going to have to be cruel to be kind,we have been making rods for our own backs for too long now.
    Like Apendragon says,fight back,and keep the faith!

    Posted by chrisM3 | February 9, 2008, 7:23 pm
  170. I completly disagree with the Archbishops comments that we should just accept Sharia Law (for whatever reasons the Archbishop had).

    However- although I do not think that this was the Archbishop’s intentional meaning behind his comment- when he says it’s ‘unavoidable’ that we accept Sharia Law, or certain elements of, maybe in a sense he will be right if immigration continues to occur into Britain whom are made up of people loyal to Islam and Sharia. If the result of this causes (directly or indirectly) a decent Muslim majority- the majority of which are loyal to Sharia- the majoirty of which will vote for British Sharia if given the chance…

    The Archbishop may just have the last laugh…

    Posted by Chrism | February 9, 2008, 8:30 pm
  171. I too support our Irish friend, “Daybreak”. We in these Isles must stick together as members and rightful heirs of the Islands we live on.

    These incommers are nothing but invaders and should be sent back from wherever they come from.

    Posted by Fatso | February 9, 2008, 8:59 pm
  172. The scuttling cloven hooves of politicians distancing themselves from Williams are deafening. Even Blunkett, who brought in the law against criticising religions, now says “it [sharia] would be wrong democratically and philosophically” (can a lawyer out there please work out a way of using his own law against himself for this statement). How dare they. They have flaming created this mess, a mess that Celto-Anglo-Saxons have been forecasting and resisting for the last four decades. Everybody must hold them, and the silent dissembling sociologists, responsible.
    Knowing the average British character, I fear that the storm of protest to push the Archbishop back into his box will draw the sting of the awakened outraged Briton, and be seen as a fix. But it is not. The proselytising of Islam and sharia in England will now continue below the radar, with increased vigour, boosted by demographic ethnic change and the sense that the British ‘authorities’ are fully qualified and willing to cut their own throats (halal, anyone?).
    Failing a ban in England on sharia and all that goes with it, those that live by it are aliens that cannot be assimilated and must now leave.
    R Smith

    Posted by rsmithr | February 9, 2008, 11:08 pm

    Posted by samba | February 10, 2008, 12:20 pm
  174. I think I’ll do something that the Arch-Imam of Canterbury has forgotten how to. I’m going to pray. I’m going to pray to the God that he has forsaken and ask Him to open his eyes and thereby save the misguided man from burning in hell. I’m going to pray that he wakes up and starts fighting for the faith he professes before Islam has the streets of Britain burning as civil war erupts.

    Posted by trueblueloyalist | February 10, 2008, 4:42 pm
  175. >>I urge every member or supporter to spend 30p on a
    >>stamp and make your views known to this clown.

    >> The Turbulent Priest

    >>Lambeth Palace


    >>SE1 7JU



    Posted by ralf | February 10, 2008, 4:52 pm
  176. I think this mans ramblings has done more for our cause in one speech than we could do in ten years of campaigning. there have been so many people saying they did not realise how close this country was to allowing this to happen. good on yer and thank you this might make people sit up and think about where this country is heading. all except the pc do gooders of course, no amount of explaining will make them see that this country is going down the pan.

    Posted by wideload74205 | February 10, 2008, 5:06 pm
  177. One Land
    One Law
    One People
    … throughout all the White World!

    Posted by Weythran | February 10, 2008, 6:54 pm
  178. How have we ever got to into a situation wherein sharia law is being discussed as a possibility by the Church of England? The muslim community must be relishing in the mass media attention currently warranted to the debate. Whilst there is no chance of sharia law happening in Britain at the moment, such media attention has brought the subject into public debate and, therefore, opened up possibilities for acceptance and development of the system in Britain in the long-term.

    Posted by Beauty of Loulan | February 10, 2008, 7:48 pm
  179. Posted by baccy_tin | February 10, 2008, 9:30 pm
  180. Please find below comments that I have been posting on various Newspapers recently. I am not a member of the BNP but I intend to be shortly.

    The Archbishop of Canterbury and Sharia Law.

    One positive thing to come out of this matter is that many more people will now realise that some of the much predicted and potentially disastrous consequences that our ‘open-door’ immigration policy would eventually bring to this Country, are now slowly but surely coming true, despite frequent allegations of scaremongering at the time.

    Unwittingly, but fortunately, the Archbishop has highlighted the ‘real’ problem, and now he should exit stage Left, and leave others to try and sort out the cultural difficulties that will surely soon embroil us.

    Don’t say you weren’t warned!!

    Melanie Duxbury. (10-2-08)

    Posted by MelanieDux | February 10, 2008, 10:19 pm
  181. Dr Williams is not a lunatic. He is a liberal-left intellectual.

    Then again….

    Posted by lance | February 10, 2008, 10:41 pm
  182. Ok suppose he goes, who will replace him…


    Remember it’s the EU Marxists that are the real enemy of Britain (and Europe)

    Posted by royalecraig | February 11, 2008, 12:30 am
  183. Western Europeans must begin to organise and UNITE.


    Posted by royalecraig | February 11, 2008, 12:39 am
  184. .

    It looks like Jacqui Smith has been nominated as Dhimi of the month. I have nominated Williams for next month - he’s leagues in front of anyone else, so should cruise home.


    Check out these lists of Islamic attacks - useful site, this one.
    This is a list of Islamic attacks in 2006.

    This is the list for 2005:

    And for 2004:


    Posted by ralf | February 11, 2008, 12:43 am
  185. The whole thing sound like an April fools day joke or even worse like something from a horrible nightmare.
    I just could NOT believe what I had to read and it really made my blood boil!!!
    The worst thing is, that it seems that this fool made that suggestion without any pressure from any muslim organisation. However, you would be suprised… you never know!!!
    But this is really a new and irrisposible dimension of appeasing a evil and dangerous cult ( Islam)
    Instead of banning some extremely inhuman,and vile verses from the Quran and deporting every Muslims ( and striping off his British citizenship) that is not ready to accept the laws of this glorious and wonderful nation, some idiots seem to think, that the best way to prevent Islamic nutcases from bombing the West is crawling into their A***ses.
    This is WHY I urge every true Brit ( just giving my modest opinion) to VOTE FOR THE BNP to end this nightmare once and for all.


    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 11, 2008, 2:08 am
  186. I agree with my former poster: All decent Europeans Unite and fight this evil + greatest threat since the bubonic plague: ISLAM!!!

    It is urgent. In 10-20 years all will be gone.

    I plead with every Briton to look at the greater picture and accept, that only Unity ( I am not talking about the European Union Idiocy but mental and racial Unity) will make us strong and resistant against the common threat, that just happens to be Islam.
    The vilest and most inhumane ideology/cult/ that has ever been invented by a beduin-nutcase, who was a massmurderer, caravan-robber and PEDOPHILE ( he married AISHA, when she was 6 YEARS OLD!!!)

    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 11, 2008, 2:15 am
  187. I’ve been going through the messages on the BBC Have Your Say site. 20,000 or more about this now. There are a lot of people of all ages and classes, both sexes, who are decrying what is happening to the UK. One post allowed through openly calls for civil war and got 72 recommendations!(the highest recommendations reach about 150) The so called ‘racist’ posts from the UK, Australia, Canada and the US are all getting more recommendations by roughly 2/3 to 1/3. Pro RW/anti ‘racism’ posts are getting very few recommendations, they are looking as dismally isolated in their opinions as they are pompous in in their spite. There are posts from muslims calling for full implementation of Sharia law and one, often quoted (to be rebuffed) is a muslim saying they don’t accept UK law, and get this- he asks ‘Why should they?’ So what we seem to have is an awakening of the Brits. There are a number of posts that say people are misinterpreting what RW said and actually calling the British population thick gutter dwellers - but THAT’S THE POINT - people are kicking off at the mere mention of the word not the filigree detail of the speech, because they’ve reached a tipping point. This may not be a general insurrection but it is the start of a group mood. And if it’s the first true outrage then everything that this dumb government does now, and it will, to erode this country is going to turn the screw. And you have all these people and all those yet to get to the point of despair, and they will, realising that it’s truly out of control. Then you have the spectre of the Poll tax riots. And they scared Thatcher! This is much, much, bigger, and is totally dividing- and uniting.

    Posted by UprightMan | February 11, 2008, 3:10 am
  188. It takes one (or one who was one) to know one:- The ethnically Pakistani Bishop of Rochester has warned against encroaching self-segregation and even the growing practice of Islamic Sharia law within British Islamic communities.

    The Islamization of some parts of British cities has happened thanks to high immigration from Muslim countries, low birth-rates among the native British, and the growing secularization of once Christian British society, where only about ten percent or less are Christian church-goers. Britain has sought to accommodate its Muslim immigrants with a multiculturalism that encouraged “separate communities.”

    Nazir Ali described some efforts to impose an “Islamic” character on neighbourhoods by electronically amplified broadcasting of Islamic calls to prayer. He also noted efforts to insert some aspects of Islamic Sharia law into Britain’s civil law, starting with Sharia-compliant banking. Growing Islamization, combined with secularization from other quarters, is helping to squeeze traditional Christian symbols out of Britain’s public sphere, Nazir-Ali complained. The “Christian character of the nation’s laws, values, customs and culture” are being diminished” and in the end, “nothing will be left but the smile of the Cheshire Cat.”

    Posted by lance | February 11, 2008, 8:48 am
  189. @uprightMan, I do sincerely hope that you are right about this.
    We need to act NOW…not in 10-20 Years to avoid civil war all over Europe.
    Clear and simple!!!
    But you are right: 5-6 Years ago I was the ONLY one in my circle of friends + family, who was warning everyone about the evilness, hypocrisy and danger of Islam.

    Then I was called a racist,paranoid and mad and some friends even NEVER spoke with me again since today, since I sometimes got too passionate and emotional.
    And NOW!!! Even my LIBERAL sister is waking up and is researching a bit more about this evil CULT ( Islam)
    And me I am just sitting back and telling angrily: ” I told you so 6 years ago” Noone would listen to me than.
    But you are right: ” The tight has changed and the Muslims should brace themself for some serious backlash, if they don’T stop taking us for a ride!!!
    It is time to pack your bags and go back to your Sharia-Paradise.
    England for the English and Europe for US Europeans!!!

    ps Imagine a member of Scientology would have blown himself up somewhere in Madrid, London or Rome.
    The whole Sect would have been banned immediatly.
    Why NOT ban Islam???
    That must be the final step for EUROPE.
    To ban that evil excuse for a Religion once and for all.

    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 11, 2008, 12:55 pm
  190. the BNP is just a jealous party…..jealous bcause immigrants are doing jobs that they could never do in thier lives!!! i wonder has a senior member of the BNP ever been to a top class univeristy?? trust me the society is way too kind to you.

    Posted by nstyle8888 | February 11, 2008, 3:18 pm
  191. nstyle8888 said ‘jealous bcause immigrants are doing jobs that they could never do in thier lives!!!’

    That’s probably because, in many jobs, if you admit to being a BNP member you will not be allowed employment on the unfounded assumption that you will discriminate against minorities. From your comment, you sound like the one who is jealous- perhaps this is because you realise that not everyone is enthralled by multiculturalism or perhaps you are a Sharia supporting Muslim unhappy about the reaction to the Archbishops comments?

    ‘i wonder has a senior member of the BNP ever been to a top class univeristy??’

    Yes, I believe Nick Griffin went to Cambridge. I presume you haven’t of course; ‘i’ should be ‘I’ and ‘thier’ should be ‘their’ unless of course this was just a simple typing mistake?

    Posted by Chrism | February 11, 2008, 4:30 pm
  192. Mark Collett(Leeds University) and Nick Griffin(Cambridge) to name just two BNP leading figures.

    And of course me (Bologna University) as a staunch “foreign” BNP supporter (in Italy it is Lega Nord for me :))) )

    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 11, 2008, 4:53 pm
  193. nstyle8888#

    Could you tell us what the purpose of your post is?

    Do you think that it is a product of jealousy to be concerned and support your own people and country?

    If all that is happening here in Britain was happening in an Islamic country, in that the rolls being reversed it was White European fundamentalist Christians destabilising Islamic society with threats of murder and social pressure.

    How do you think Muslims would handle the situation? Would they just do as we do, i.e. vent their frustration via a website, or do you think they would be out with their slaughtering knives butchering the infidels?

    The Islamic community here in Britain is very lucky it has us countering their insanity and not a society of like minded individuals.

    We have nothing to be jealous of, after all they came to our country to improve their lives from the s h i t hole that Islam gave them!

    Posted by Ancient Briton | February 11, 2008, 6:09 pm
  194. nstyle8888 says:
    the BNP is just a jealous party…..jealous bcause immigrants are doing jobs that they could never do in thier lives!!!

    It would be nice if native Brits had the opportunity to do those jobs - unfortunately, most of them are being filled by immigrants who are accepting rock-bottom rates of pay and pushing down wages for the rest of us.
    The blame, of course, lies with greedy employers and this totally inept government who have encouraged this situation.

    Jealous? No. Just sick to death of the ceaseless demands of ‘ethnic minorities.’ Our hope is that soon everyone will realise that no matter how many concessions we make to these vociferous minorities; no matter how much money/housing/healthcare/education/social services we pump into them, it’s never enough. And it’s never GOING to be enough - they’ll just go on screeching about the ‘race card’ and their ‘human rights’ and carry on with their endless demands.

    We have to say enough is enough. We have to say no to those demands, and make sure OUR human rights are being considered.
    That is’nt racist - it’s simple common sense.

    Posted by southernbelle | February 11, 2008, 6:27 pm
  195. Have just listened to the Archbishop of Canterbury on the news today for his first public comments in front of his flock,since his derranged out burst.I missed his apology because he didn’t give one.
    More worrying was the support he got from high rankers (not a spelling mistake)within the audience.Am I to assume that his comments are mainstream within the church? The church thank God (!)doesn’t have the power it once had,but it is still a formidable organization.We have enemies on all sides and enemies embedded within.We have a tough battle but it is winable because we have clear commonsense on our side,and hate filled muslims amongst others on their side.The public are generally lethargic,but I do believe I can hear some yawning and see some stretching of limbs at long last!

    Posted by jao7 | February 11, 2008, 7:25 pm
  196. I think that if the Muslims are so vulnerable that they can not peacefully live inside the European culture, may be the very best option for them should be to gather those of them who suffers because of their lives and send them in 24 hours back into that sandy hole where they came from? It can be much easier and wiser solution than changing the whole country in the way several nuts want to see it, but nobody else wants to.

    Posted by mikeburash | February 11, 2008, 7:43 pm
  197. nstyle8888: What on Earth are you talking about? Have you been sniffing glue?

    So we’re ‘jealous’ are we? Jealous of what? Try some of these:-

    Jet engines
    Football, rugby, cricket, tennis
    Microwave ovens
    Cathode ray tube (television to you)
    Parliamentary Democracy
    Sewerage systems
    Steam Turbines for Electricity
    Electric motors
    Vacuum cleaners
    Sewing machines
    Central heating
    Radio transmitters
    Fuel cells
    Stainless steel
    Cardiac Pacemakers
    Reinforced concrete
    Countless medicines

    How about these? (to name but a few):-

    Sir Edward Elgar
    Sir William Walton
    Gustav Holst (Anglophile)
    George Frederick Handel (Anglophile)
    Pink Floyd
    William Shakespeare
    Charles Dickens
    Charles Darwin
    Sir Peter Scott
    Sir William Wilberforce (who?)
    Kenny Williams
    Kenny Everett
    Frankie Howerd
    The Goons
    Monty Python
    Tommy Cooper
    Benny Hill
    Les Dawson
    Ken Dodd
    Carry On… Do I need to carry on?
    You clearly cannot even use English properly, so don’t lecture us about ‘univesity’, okay?

    Posted by apendragon | February 11, 2008, 8:34 pm
  198. nstyle8888 - you are either a social lefty dropout, one of ‘the great unwashed’; or your mother is a ‘peek-a-boo’. The best thing for you pal is a slap round the head with a packet of wet sh*t! Not Sharia law; my law!

    Posted by Dartford_patriot1 | February 11, 2008, 10:27 pm
  199. Oh please….without the ethnic mix that we have today half the popuation of britain would not have a doctor,lawyer,etc.the top british univerities would be empty and britain im afraid would be nothing. i dont know who you people are trying to kid…..it just seems to me most of the supporters of the party are people who have lost out in some way and are trying to pin the blame on someone….by bringing race and religion into everything. find something better to do like improving ur lives without destroying others’.

    Posted by nstyle8888 | February 11, 2008, 11:35 pm
  200. I’m not British, nor am I a Christian. However, I am White and (I live in Canada).
    I have this to say about your present state of affairs:
    In my view its a waste of time to fret and fuss over incidents like this one with the Archbishop and/or any other religious/political escapades caused by the Leftist Red vermin.

    Instead, you should be focusing on the inevitable physical struggle you will certainly face within the next 20 years ( 20 years at the most!). This struggle will involve outright warfare against those who have invaded your lands, those who invited them to invade, and those of your own kind (Whites) who are mere “One World-One Way” puppets.
    The BNP appears to be functioning for the purpose of drawing the still-sane Whites of your lands together….at least psychologically, but no one in their right mind anywhere in Europe or North America, or in your countries, can possibly imagine that a political solution involving parties and votes and government procedures is going to solve what the Leftist vermin has designed for the destruction of the Western world and its nations and cultures.

    The solution is in open battles which must be so decisive as to cause the removal of ALL non-Whites from our territories once and for all. So, if you’re an adult - even an adult nearing 50 years of age - you should be preparing yourself though diet, physical training, tactical thinking, etc. in order to be able to contribute and endure what is to come within your life time.
    Those in their 30’s and younger persently need your help as well. They must also be prepared in terms of understanding/thinking/reasoning, and physical development. In other words, you have a lot of work to do.

    So you see, getting angry over incidents such as the one dealt with in this article does nothing except wastes your time and energy. Its wise now to act, think, and live constructively. Perhaps your people will consider this. At least I hope they will because I’ve been to England and I’ll miss it when it and its people are no more. The prospect of this is very real. Priorities must be established and doggedly adhered to.
    Consider, as a good example, the Vietnamese way of approaching war with invading peoples. Read their history, even the short history of the US conflict. It will provide excellent examples of how a people ( of all ages ) can work to expell even a vastly superior technological force from their midst.
    Seriously consider this.

    Posted by Surrounded | February 12, 2008, 3:44 am
  201. i would sooner die than live in this country under their laws. soon they’ll want us all out of this country to claim it as their own, its the first step to a huge problem

    Posted by TimeToAct | February 12, 2008, 5:00 am
  202. nstyle8888, your need to post such diatribes is ample proof that the left wing are worried about the growing popularity of the BNP why else would you? And the fact that they were allowed shows a healthy confidence.

    Continue then…we’re horrid, you’re right etc, etc. :-)

    Posted by UprightMan | February 12, 2008, 5:48 am
  203. I wonder if the Arch Imam of Canterbury had caused offence to the Muslim population and they as usual were marching around London demanding his beheading would he apologise or is only Christians he treats with such contempt?
    I think I already know the answer I still remember the teddy bear and cartoons.

    Posted by robstew48 | February 12, 2008, 11:06 am
  204. nstyle8888,please,before you post any more of your irritating nonsense will you learn how to spell the word UNIVERSITY. Have the respect to spell Britain with a capital,and also,my question to you,which you will be incapable of answering,is if we would be “nothing” without the ethnic mess sorry mix,how then did this nation rule a fifth of the world,from a land that at the time was totally white British?
    Us jealous? Mate i’m proud.

    Posted by chrisM3 | February 12, 2008, 11:37 am
  205. nstyle8888 are you Boredluton ?
    You remind me of that muzzy who kept bothering Britany Britain

    Posted by robstew48 | February 12, 2008, 12:55 pm
  206. Britain, and indeed Western Europe’s national culture is built on Yahweh’s Divine Law given to our ancestors Adam, Abraham, codified by Moses, David, Solomon, Alfred the Great, William I, Elizabeth I (tragically not II! She doesn’t put a foot wrong! -WRIGHT).

    Jesus Christ taught The Law and refined it. His death only abolished a small section –the Law of animal sacrifices etc (Ordinances). The rest remain in FULL, including Capital punishment for Murder, Rape, Kidnapping, Usuary etc. “If ye love me, keep my Commandments” –all over the Gospels.

    William’s ‘religion’ is just an emotional ritualistic shell with all the good political relevance stripped out.

    William’s, and his co-travelling apostate Marxist false shepherds have ditched most of the Divine Law over 200 years.

    He job ought to be to uphold Christian beliefs, culture and Laws in Britain, NOT Allahs which are often similar, but often mutually incompatable. He doesnn’t believe them himself. He is a false shepherd, and Jesus warned us about these hirelings.

    Ofcourse he and a hundred more old rogues should be shown the door (without their fat pensions). As most of the good people have long since quit the C of E in disgust, they won’t.—The Torygraph ditched this inoffensive comment of mine!

    Posted by Fodhla | February 12, 2008, 2:02 pm
  207. nstyle8888 said,’…it just seems to me most of the supporters of the party are people who have lost out in some way and are trying to pin the blame on someone…by bringing race and religion into everything.’

    Many have us have lost out under multiculturalism because this has discriminated against the existing identity of this nation, something we have rights to be concerned about? The only people I blame for this is Blair (or rather Bliar) and Brown and Labour.

    ‘…by bringing race and religion into everything’. No, that’s what the left wing did when they started arguing for ethnic minority ‘quotas’ in the workplace. That’s what the left wing did when they started creating or promoting certain organisations that specifically help ethnic minority groups (Black Police Officers Association etc). That’s what the left wing always do, so the right has been forced to so the same. They get criticised for this by the left (which I presume you side with) so you and they are hypocrites, is that correct?

    The left have always used scape goats… many have had, in my opinion, a bias against whites and Christians but that’s too huge a subject to delve into here…

    Posted by Chrism | February 12, 2008, 3:17 pm
  208. It’s good to have your comments ItalianBNPSupporter, I went to Italy last year and had a great time. The real difference is the fact that we were served by Italians everywhere we went and it felt like a proud country that still has all of it’s original identity and heritage. Here it’s the case that tourists are served by foreigners at all points of their journey.

    Posted by UprightMan | February 12, 2008, 3:55 pm
  209. This is our country, our land, and our lifestyle, and we will allow Asian Muslims every opportunity to enjoy all this. But once they are done bleating, moaning, and whingeing about our FLAG, our PLEDGE, our CHRISTIAN beliefs, or OUR WAY OF LIFE, I would urge them to take advantage of one other great British freedom - ‘THE RIGHT TO LEAVE.’ We didn’t force them to come here. They asked to be here. So they should accept the country they adopted! Absolutely NO TO SHARIA LAW.

    Posted by Anthony | February 12, 2008, 4:07 pm
  210. nstyle8888 says:
    ‘Oh please….without the ethnic mix that we have today half the popuation of britain would not have a doctor,lawyer,etc.the top british univerities would be empty and britain im afraid would be nothing.’

    If we send home all the immigrants, both legal and illegal, and all the asylum seekers, there would be no problem for us indigenous British regarding access to Doctors, Lawyers etc.

    There would also be no problem with housing, and we could solve the issue of the homeless at a stroke. Then there’s education - school classes would be a manageable size, and teachers would’nt have to try and educate children who can’t speak English.

    Further, there would instantly be huge improvements in our Health Service. Waiting times would be slashed, there would be no shortage of hospital beds, and top quality care would be freely available faster.

    Finally, if you are so fiercely against the BNP, why are you here?
    You sound like an idealistic youngster to me; please remember that the BNP are fighting FOR people like you (unless you’re an immigrant) to have the right to live in the freedom of a democratic, christian country. Perhaps you WANT to end up wearing a burkha, and living your life oppressed and downtrodden (assuming you’re female) but the majority of us don’t.

    Posted by southernbelle | February 12, 2008, 5:17 pm
  211. @UprightMan, thank you for your friendly words.
    Well yes Italy is still fairly ” authentic” in many places and I met many friendly and kind hearted tourists from Great Britain who treated my people with great respect (unlike the foreigners from Third World Countries). There is even an older couple from Birmingham that has recently decided to buy a house next to ours and stay for the warmer months in Italy. I couldn’t have wished for better neighbours.
    However we are also experiencing the EU - bureaucracy and PC brigades sending us countless asylumseekers from Third-World countries + not to mention the boat people from Albania or even North Africa.
    I am glad, that you liked Italy. It is indeed a wonderful country.

    Just like Great Britain ( in most parts) is.
    kind regards


    ps White Europeans MUST work together, since they all face the same doom from mass-immigration and corporations that are selling out small businesses everywhere.
    VOTE BNP!!!

    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 12, 2008, 6:01 pm
  212. One from Melanie (no friend of the BNP) Phillips

    “Dr Williams is the head of a church whose members are being persecuted, harassed, attacked, forcibly converted and murdered in large numbers at the hands of sharia law across Africa and Asia. He has, to my knowledge, said nothing at all about this. Instead, he is now proposing that sharia should be made a ‘supplementary jurisdiction’ in Britain, thus signalling his abandonment and outright betrayal of his flock who are suffering so badly at the hands of Islam worldwide”


    btw, MooCow, go peddle your Taqiyya elsewhere.

    Posted by baccy_tin | February 12, 2008, 6:11 pm
  213. @MooCow.

    Let me first say that thanks to Kemal Atatürk your country of origin ( Turkey) is quite secular and its people are less radical than say people from Pakistan.
    However you are wrong when you try to compare Islam with Christianity.
    Both founders could not have been more different.

    Mohammed was himself a mass-murderer ( he beheaded 600 Jews in one day in Medina for their only crime was not wanting to convert to Islam), he ambushed caravans and robbed them because of greed, he killed and raped women and finally married Aysha, who was 6 years old when she was promised to him.

    Jesus was a PACIFIST and helped sinfull people instead of judging tham ( Maria Magdalena)

    The root of Islam itself is evil and the radical Muslims are only following the into the footsteps of their belove Prophet.

    That is a very important difference to consider when comparing the two religions.

    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 12, 2008, 6:11 pm
  214. nstyle8888: ‘Oh please….without the ethnic mix that we have today half the popuation of britain would not have a doctor,lawyer,etc.’ A classic example of doublethink: nstyle has everything upside-down and inside-out.

    Fact: Even NuLabour quietly announced the other day, that quotas of immigrant doctors were to be limited because WHITE DOCTORS CAN’T GET JOBS.

    Fact: Since 1997 when NuLabour came to power, overral crime in Britain (that’s right, capital B for a noun) has INCREASED BY ABOUT 180% I.E. NEARLY DOUBLED. In Kent, for example, violent crime has increased by 36% since the immigration floodgates were opened in 2004.

    Fact: Indigenous people can’t get jobs because they are DISCRIMINATED AGAINST in order to cater for immigrants from here, there and anywhere in order to fill your precious ETHNIC QUOTAS or as in the case of Transport for London, OUTRIGHT ANTI-WHITE RACISM.

    Fact: Most organised crime committed in Britain has its origins abroad. Bill Hughes, director-general of the Serious Organised Crime Agency, said gun crime, drugs and people smuggling are heavily linked to overseas gangsters. (He told MPs on Tuesday:) “Most of the crimes we are dealing with are international. The source of the trouble starts elsewhere.”

    Fact: This country is UNDER ATTACK and this assault is a pincer movement of 1. Threatened and actual terrorism and 2. Cultural takeover. The Secutity Services have today warned, that the social services, the police, national infrastructure, and local and national government are being INFILTRATED BY ISLAMISTS.

    Here is a list drawn up by those involved at an early stage of planning for OUR cultural destruction and erasion of national identity:

    the creation of racism offences

    continual change to create confusion

    the teaching of sex and homosexuality to children

    the undermining of schools and teachers’ authority

    huge immigration to destroy identity

    the promotion of excessive drinking

    emptying the churches

    an unreliable legal system with bias against the victim of crime

    dependency on the state or state benefits

    control and dumbing down of media
    encouraging the breakdown of the family

    Does this list of items remind you of anywhere? You can look it up under ‘Frankfurt School’ if you like.

    You are probably in your early twenties, and in possession of all the idealism and naivety that goes with youth. I guarantee you this much: the Britain of today bears very little resemblance to the place it was even twenty years ago. If this is allowed to go on, then surely you can get some idea of what’s in store if we don’t ACT NOW?

    Posted by apendragon | February 12, 2008, 7:01 pm
  215. As I have posted befor only honest and consistant objective action can eliminate the progress of the islamic dominence of our country and culture.
    I am afraid that in the next ten years we will have mandatory islamic culture imposed on our children

    Posted by hytron5 | February 12, 2008, 7:12 pm
  216. ”You are probably in your early twenties, and in possession of all the idealism and naivety that goes with youth”

    And im guessing most of you are approaching quite a late age which is why you have so much pessimism and narrow minded views.

    Isnt it the ideals of the youth that matter anyway we are the future after all and we dont look forlornly back at the ‘good old days of white britain’. And Im sorry to say that the current youth and future of britain is an ethnically mixed society!

    Live with it or you emigrate. Britain is for everyone to enjoy and a white Britain is history.

    Posted by nstyle8888 | February 12, 2008, 7:43 pm
  217. Let’s be fair people - MooCow seems like a decent person. If all muslims thought like him there just might be a chance of integration. But it’s highly significant that his roots are in Turkey - that rarest of things, an ostensibly secular country of muslims, where there is probably less fundamentalism than in any other majority muslim country in the world. And it’s no coincidence that Turkey is the geographically closest to the enlightening and civilising influence of the West.

    MooCow’s reasonableness and glaring absence of the ubiquitous Islamic chip on his shoulder is evidence of his British upbringing (I bet he doesn’t live in some dosshole of an Islamic ghetto either) and the uncharacteristically moderate nature of his cultural/religious roots.

    Sadly though, Islam’s history and theology are indeed steeped in evil. MooCow’s post indicates that, whether he realises it or not, he is not a very devoted muslim and he is atypical of the malignant masses whom we are justifiably railing against.

    Posted by Green Vista | February 12, 2008, 7:48 pm
  218. The British are a remarkably tolerant race and it takes a lot to get them all fired up and voicing their complaints against injustice. The London bombings didn’t seem to open peoples’ eyes to the dangers of Islam. The non-stop efforts of the PC/Liberal left to pander to Islam and have us believe it’s a cuddly religion of peace and tolerance instead of an evil, power-seeking ideology didn’t do it either. Thankfully, the Archbishop of Canterbury seems to have managed to get us all going without any blood being spilled. Just a few carefully ill-chosen words from this man with his head in the clouds have done the trick. We should really be thanking him for giving us the opportunity of bringing it all out in the open and telling our politicians what we think of Islam, sharia law, multiculturalsim (not pluralism) and illegal immigration . I noted the other night that the BBC website “Have your say” section received over 17,000 comments about his stupid comments. that’s more like it. Well done, Archbishop. You have unintentionally done Great Britain a great service.

    Posted by british beef | February 12, 2008, 7:58 pm
  219. nstyle8888 wrote: “Live with it or you emigrate. Britain is for everyone to enjoy and a White Britain is history”.

    People like you and myself are going to be “locking horns” in a very serious manner in the near future all over the Western world. Keep that firmly in mind whenever you’re feeling nice and smug with your racial hate for White people.

    So, you think that Britain is for everyone to enjoy, do you? And at the expense of whom? You seem to want a culture of insane consumerism - of plasma TV’s, Music channels, and income tax forms and consider this as simething to be enjoyed. You’ve got a rude awakening coming, child.

    And tell me, is Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Nigeria, and othr paradises “for everyone to enjoy”? If they aren’t, why not? You except Whites to allow and adapt-to every bipedal creature on the planet, but how much would any of these colored “brothers” adapt and allow-for YOU?

    Get your head screwed on straight or you might just lose it - literally.

    Posted by Surrounded | February 12, 2008, 10:01 pm
  220. nstyle888:

    You said ‘Live with it or you emigrate.’

    Why should we emigrate from our own country? This is still a christian country, whether you like it or not (and it seems that you don’t) so may I suggest that you….Live with it or you emigrate.

    Posted by southernbelle | February 12, 2008, 10:24 pm
  221. @ Green Vista

    Well yes Turkey is still fairly secular but it is gradually changing towards Islamic Fundamentalism.
    The Turkish Government has lifted the ban of veils from their universities just this week, which is a dangerous step towards abandoning the secular nature of Turkey.
    The primeminister, Erdogan himself is a staunch fundamentalist whose wife and daughters wear head-scarf in public.
    And there is a very big downside to Turkeys “secular” nature: Their strong militarism combined with the extrem chauvinistic attitudes in turkish politics regarding their own ethinc minority groups like the kurds and the christian Armenians.

    It is still State politics to deny the Genocide on the Christian Armenians in Eastern anatolia, which was their natural Homeland. ( eastern Anatolia was part of Greater Armenia also known as Cilicia-hence technically that area belongs to the Christian Indo-European Armenians)

    So it is not like, they immigrated to Turkey….it was the other way round: It was the Turkish tribes that conquered formerly Indo-European indigenous Territory.

    Europe did not end at the Bosporus.

    White Europe once stretched way down east until Western China.

    Anyway , my point is: The Turks don’t belong into the EU neither culturally nor geographically.

    Posted by ItalianBNPSupporter | February 13, 2008, 1:51 am
  222. muslims should learn to deal with the laws of the land, and not cause uproar and havoc everywhere they tread.

    however in this case, its not a muslim who is responsible but a respectable clergyman who is clearly confused on how to live and which laws to adopt for a safe society.

    sharia law cannot ease the problems we see today in britain. it can only further divide and destroy the nation. integration is one thing, but standard british law is not something that can be compromised.

    when in rome and all that…you can’t choose who you’re born as but you sure as hell can choose where and how to live.

    Posted by clarity-x | February 13, 2008, 2:55 am
  223. nstyle888

    More posts like that please.

    Posted by UprightMan | February 13, 2008, 3:37 am

    Posted by samba | February 13, 2008, 9:06 am
  225. nstyle8888 ‘”You are probably in your early twenties, and in possession of all the idealism and naivety that goes with youth”

    And im guessing most of you are approaching quite a late age which is why you have so much pessimism and narrow minded views.’

    No, I am young nstyle and do not agree with multiculturalism as it is riddled with flaws

    Perhaps it is you who are narrow minded towards multiculturalism?

    Posted by Chrism | February 13, 2008, 1:18 pm
  226. Hi All,

    In light of the Archbishop’s comments regarding Sharia Law an E-petition has been set up on the 10 Downing Street website to ask for his removal. Please forward this link to all those who you know who would like to air their discontent




    Posted by chewypaw | February 13, 2008, 7:59 pm
  227. Her Majesty The Queen is head of the Church of England not the Archbishop of Canterbury and I humbly petition Her Majesty to remove the Archbishop immediately, also to confiscate all his personal assets and pension ans make him live the rest of his life on a sink estate full of yobs, druggies and hooligans. Then this liberal wishy washy clueless moron may just see a glimpse of what life is like for millions in the “real world” instead of being cosseted away in some ivory tower.

    Posted by Rick TB | February 13, 2008, 9:26 pm
  228. I understand that current British government (or a bunch of traitors who occupied it) hate White Christian people of European descent and will make everything possible to make their life a hell on Earth.But the statement of this so called “Archbishop” is a spit in the face of every Briton.

    Greetings and support from White Russia.

    Posted by Veles | February 14, 2008, 8:22 am
  229. The Bishop of Carlisle has spoken up in support of Christianity! He must be arrested immediately and charged with Islamophobia!!

    After he has served his mandatory seven years sentence, the Arch Dhimmi of Canterbistan might grant him forgiveness on condition he attends Islamic Awareness and Celebration of Diversity courses.

    Now just in case you think the Bishop of Carlisle is some sort of fundamentalist, make sure you check out the spooky manifestation of 666 in the House of Commons that folows this:

    “A senior bishop has compared the Government to a demonic seven-headed beast for imposing its morality on society.

    The Rt Rev Graham Dow likened the Labour administration to the beast which appears in the Bible’s apocalyptic Book of Revelation.

    Speaking at a General Synod… the Bishop said: “I happen to believe that our Government is moving into the realm of imposing its morality and it is therefore becoming a Revelation 13 Government rather than a Romans 13 Government.”

    Chapter 13 in the Book of Revelation begins: “As I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the names of blasphemy.

    “And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat and great authority.”

    It ends: “Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

    Bishop Dow, whose comments followed the Archbishop of Canterbury’s controversial remarks on Islamic law, later claimed he was not calling members of the Government themselves as demons, but said the Book of Revelation was portraying the Roman Empire in those terms.”


    From http://www.assistnews.net/Stories/2008/s08010088.htm

    “666 raises it’s ugly head in British House of Commons debate

    By Michael Ireland
    Chief Correspondent, ASSIST News Service
    LONDON, ENGLAND (ANS) — Whether or not you are a student of prophecy, a conspiracy theorist, or dabble in the art of biblical numerology, you may find interesting or disturbing the fact that a motion calling for the disestablishment of the Church of England has been listed in the British House of Commons as 666 — the Number of the Beast.

    According to Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent of The Times, Labour Member of Parliament (MP) John Austin, who has repeatedly tabled Early Day Motions urging disestablishment, put down his latest motion last night as MPs debated scrapping Britain’s blasphemy laws.

    The motion appeared on the House of Commons order paper numbered 666, the number associated with the Antichrist in the Book of Revelation. Some scholars believe 666 referred to the Emperor Nero, Gledhill reported.

    The King James Bible renders Revelation 13:8 as: “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.”

    Bob Russell, Liberal Democrat MP for Colchester and one of the signatories, said: “It is incredible that a motion like this should have, by chance, acquired this significant number. This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways.”

    Russell added: “What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy.”

    According to Gledhill, the motion is unlikely to be debated. “But momentum for looser ties between Church and State is growing, as the support for the repeal of the blasphemy law illustrates. The blasphemy law favors Christianity and in particular the Church of England,” she says.

    Gledhill writes that although the attempt by Liberal Democrat MP Evan Harris to amend the Criminal Justice Bill was unsuccessful, the Prime Minister Gordon Brown has disclosed that he is consulting with the churches about its repeal.

    A report by the Associated Press (AP) on Newsday.com says the beast of the Book of Revelation “intruded into the banter of the House of Commons” on Thursday when a motion calling for the disestablishment of the Church of England was numbered 666.

    The last book of the Bible says 666 is the number of a beast that “had two horns like a lamb, and…spake as a dragon,” and that “doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men.”

    The motion simply states: “That this House calls for the disestablishment of the Church of England” — in other words ending its status as the country’s legally established, official faith.

    The AP report says that such motions rarely result in any action, but are used by members to publicize issues. Other members may sign the motion as an indication of support. By Thursday afternoon, the number of the signers was three.

    The Church of England, created by King Henry VIII’s breach with Rome, is the legally established faith in England. The monarch, by law, is obliged to be a member, and has the title of Supreme Governor of the church.

    “Eyebrows were raised in the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the Church of England to be disestablished was listed with the number 666, symbol of the AntiChrist,” says an Agence France Presse (AFP) report carried byYahoo!NewsUK.

    “This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways,” said Bob Russell, a Liberal Democrat MP among those proposing the motion for debate. What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy,” he added.

    The motion calls for an end to the formal link between Church and State in England — embodied in the monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, who is both head of state and head of the Church of England.

    The number 666 is referred to in the Book of Revelation in the Bible: “Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred, three score and six.”

    “It is incredible that a motion like this should have, by chance, acquired this significant number,” said Russell. “

    Posted by Artorius | February 15, 2008, 12:25 am
  230. Is not the Church the Keeper of the faith? what faith now can we have in the Anglican Church when the Archbishop spouts such words of treason to allow such a stone age religion and law to be allowed to co exist with ours!. Expect riots, Expect War first!. He must live in some kind of dream world if he expects the free world to bow to Muslim rule!.

    Posted by fightback | February 15, 2008, 10:25 pm
  231. This man is a traitor not only to his country but to his religion and the one true God.
    Bring back Knights Templar.

    Posted by NEMESIS | February 16, 2008, 8:42 pm
  232. is ‘Surrounded’ (12 Feb.) a non dom?

    Posted by member 28568 | February 17, 2008, 11:03 am
  233. Needing a new copy of the Bible I bought a “comfort text size” which had added a “no part etc.” I wrote to the Lord Advocate’s office about it - but got no reply. Maybe my name was too much of a minority.

    Posted by member 28568 | February 17, 2008, 1:54 pm
  234. So many Muslims seem to hate the West yet love using everything Western.
    They flock to the west in the millions and then push for their own way of life to be pushed on others but why?
    Can’t they see what Islam has done for the Muslim countries they’ve come from?
    I’ve always thought of Islam as a cult myself, and the actions of the many seem to justify this & that the majority have been brainwashed since birth.

    Posted by Defiant | February 18, 2008, 3:37 pm
  235. Well, I have been thinking alot about this. I have actually met and shook the hand and talked to the Archbishop, when he was Bishop of Monmouth. He is an extremely clever bloke, he can speak 7 languages and knows in the ins and outs of Religion.

    Personally I think he has been very clever. I reckon he knew what response he would get and he obviously knew that the media would blow it out of all proportion. I think he said it to provoke a response, in getting people to ‘wake up’ and to give this government a taste of what is likely to happen, should what we said come to pass.

    Posted by falcons1988 | February 18, 2008, 5:28 pm
  236. I think the Archbishop is right, that Shariah law is absolutely inevitable, but only because we keep letting people into our country. Eventually Muslims will outnumber everyone else, both by immigration and breeding. Once that happens it’s a matter of time before we have our first Muslim Prime Minister, and just watch how fast our laws change once that happens.

    We should take the Archbishop’s comments seriously, but treat them as warning, not prediction. We have to stop this.

    Posted by BarryTune | February 19, 2008, 5:29 am
  237. Sharia Law can only be a good thing for the BNP. It will focus those minds that are drip fed by a liberal media.
    Finally they might wake up to the stark reality that is multi cultural Britain and the threats that face the indigenous population.

    Posted by FlorianGeyer | February 19, 2008, 10:00 am
  238. A while ago, on this board, someone asked where all the feminists are, and why the voices of women are’nt being raised over this issue.

    It’s true that we women should be trembling in our shoes at the very notion of having ‘the religion of peace’ - and the inevitable burkha - forced upon us.

    I’ve noticed something, though.
    We’re a clever lot, we females.
    Instead of vainly trying to get our concerns heard by that shower in Westminster, we’re joining the BNP. In droves.
    We know they will listen to us, and we know they will fight for our freedoms.
    See? Told you we’re clever!!

    Posted by southernbelle | February 19, 2008, 3:31 pm
  239. .

    >>A while ago, on this board, someone asked where all the feminists are, and why the voices of women are’nt being raised over this issue.
    >>Instead of vainly trying to get our concerns heard by that shower in Westminster, we’re joining the BNP. In droves.

    That was me. But I would be even happier if you could stop your fellow sisters (especially the liberal variety) from supporting Hammas.
    For some strange reason, just because they dislike Israel, the European feminist movement has teamed up with the most rabidly misogynist organisation known to man. Strange bedfellows indeed.

    The feminists will be championing the liberating freedoms of genital mutilation next … less of burn your bra and more of cut your cl****** - well, yes, you get the drift.



    Posted by ralf | February 20, 2008, 1:28 am
  240. Can we please change the picture of hairy Rowan on the Home Page featured article - it’s beginning to really bother and annoy me. I don’t wish to look at him every day. It reminds me of something from One Million Years BC.

    Talking of which, I saw a cracking picture of Raquel Welch at 67 years old the other day. Can we have that one instead to show these sharia loving, bearded and veiled of the species, what they’re missing in this life?

    Posted by Winston | February 20, 2008, 10:32 am
  241. I thought some wanted religion kept out of politics - is that why the archbishopofcanterbury is .org instead of .gov, as they have a “Lords Spiritual” dept to the House of Lords. (bearing national cirriculums in mind.)

    Posted by member 28568 | February 21, 2008, 5:41 pm
  242. 500 plus clergy don’t seem to realise we are supposed to be a Secular democracy - not a Theocratic democracy. Not even the A.B.of.C. himself. Doesn’t seem to want to start from square one either. Pompous protection or what?

    The BNP weren’t keen on having the Olympics. Can we get on and get the Mayor of London voted in - He should have time to do some ‘decentralising’.

    Posted by member 28568 | February 21, 2008, 6:43 pm
  243. I’ve asked the A.B.of C. website if they sent Blair a “fairwell” card using verse 9 of St. Matthew 23 for a ‘text’.
    Wouldn’t it be more interesting to see if Mr.Robert Maxwell would have gone Brown over Northern Rock had he still been with us. If Banks won’t why blame people. Who does one contact about a topic of interest.?

    Posted by member 28568 | March 11, 2008, 10:26 am
  244. The Archbishop needs to read his bible and then compare it to the Koran. No Christian can agree with this blasphemy.

    Allah is not the true God, the crescent has more to do with the Moon and warnings are in the Old Testament concerning the worship of such false gods.

    Posted by Brin Jenkins | June 30, 2008, 1:33 pm
  245. nstyle8888,

    This is Britain, the glorious land that many brave men/boys died for, either shape up or ship out! I find it amazing how you can tell the BNP they are jealous, I put that down to fear, fear of political change that is ever increasingly changing in the direction of the BNP…..get over it!


    Posted by SimonGB | June 30, 2008, 3:41 pm
  246. Well, he’s ready for it I reckon. I mean, just look at him. He already has the beard and the robes so all he needs now is a pair of baggy trousers and a funny little white skull cap. Job done!

    Posted by englandforever | July 1, 2008, 10:47 pm
  247. Why should we have sharia law? They are in our country & should abide by our laws. Imagine the uproar if we tried to enforce our laws in their country - it simply would not stand. We the British people should not stand for this insult; even the mere thought of the sharia law being introduced sends a shudder down my spine. When will the goverment realise that the British people should be treated with more respect than this.

    You are assuming that the government actually cares about us, when, as all the evidence clearly shows, they do not. -Ed

    Posted by bryanwatson01 | July 2, 2008, 3:51 pm
  248. Rowan Williams is a traitor for even daring to mention Sharia Law. This stone age nonsense belongs thousands of years in the past. The Queen should have had him replaced as the Archbishop and let the old fool become a Muslim, as clearly it is his true calling in life. The only way to stop this scary religion in its tracks is to remove it from this country, and all those who follow it can go and practise it in an Islamic country. Or better still it would not happen in any part of the world, as without Islam the world would be a much safer and happier place.

    Posted by EnglandxChick | July 3, 2008, 3:04 pm
  249. >>: ‘Oh please….without the ethnic mix that we have today
    >>half the popuation of britain would not have a doctor,lawyer,etc.’
    FACT: With the ethnic mix we have today, we have doctors who cannot speak English properly, let alone diagnose an ailment. What level of training do these guys really have?
    Has anyone else noticed a trait with ethnic doctors? If you question their diagnosis, they rabbit on about completely different conditions, to try and prove that they know something about medicine. A worrying reaction, I feel.
    (Oh, I forgot, we also have doctors that spontaneously combust when entering airport terminals. Now that is a really worrying trend.)

    Posted by ralf | July 3, 2008, 11:09 pm
  250. I see the Lord Chief Justice, Lord Phillips of Worth(less) Matravers, aka Lord Phillips of Common Purpose/Lord Phillips of Lord Help Us has weighed in to the sharia law debate, saying it could play a role in some parts of the legal system. Let’s hope Grim Reaper pays this dangerous imbecile a visit - and soon. Today if possible.

    Posted by Winston | July 4, 2008, 8:25 am
  251. Why is it always us who have to compromise for the outsiders to feel more welcommed and ”at home”, when they do nothing for us to be ‘’safe” at the very least when in their countries? (e.g: our women having to cover up when in their countries, by they walk around in our country looking like a letterbox or some ghost dragging a garbage, harrassing, raping (french guy in dubai) and kidnapping our people)
    This is not their land!
    They take from us what suits them, money.. education..etc, but hold on to everything else, their clothes, their food, their country of origine, they can’t even speak our language properly, yet they demand us to accept them and treat them equally..
    they want to be ”citizens with benefits”.. They refuse to intigrate, to live like us, yet again we have to bow and allow them to have it their way..as we don’t want to hurt their sensitive feelings.
    Saudi Arabia, the UAE are both rich countries, why don’t they go there where they can practice their so called peaceful religion and gain money, without disturbing us?
    They want to live here, they must live OUR way.. if they don’t like it, don’t stay!

    Posted by Mark67 | July 4, 2008, 2:20 pm
  252. Muslims can do what they want in Muslim countries. Britain is Christian - and I bet the vast majority of people want it to stay that way.

    This is a little island. All this multicultural idealism - is simply a crazy vision for such a small place.

    The big majority of British people would be far happier if everyone here was the same race - same religion, with common values and goals.

    America is huge - and it can’t deal with divesity very well. It’s crazy for anyone to expect this small island to embrace diversity.

    Modern Britian is like living in an overcrowded house - with whining children running riot. Someone needs to take charge. The BNP have the courage and strength for the job.

    Posted by Bardman | July 4, 2008, 9:59 pm
  253. I know Muslims are brainwashed but you’d still imagine they’d have the inteligence to work out their prevous Muslim countries are in the state they are because of Islam

    Posted by Defiant | July 5, 2008, 10:29 am
  254. Arise brothers and gird up your loins. The time is well overdue to invite all the aliens among us who do not like our ways our culture our traditions etc to take up their toy pigs, teddybears, silly books and exquisitely garbed goats and return to the hellholes they sprang from. If they hate us and our ways why are they here? As Spock would say “It defies logic”

    Posted by gildedtumbrils | July 5, 2008, 8:34 pm
  255. When the devils advocate says the sharia law is unavoidable/ then he under estimates the British people and he is like the devil treating us with contempt. His imp the money grabbing judge who sides with him. they have both sold their souls /the traitor they are both in league with the devil!THE BNP will not tolerate any law but the law of this land applied equally and fairly with justice for all/ obey the law go to jail or leave for a country your happy in BNP 4 me god is on your side!! the side of the righteous!!

    Posted by Warriorbrave | July 5, 2008, 10:53 pm
  256. Re Criminal Law

    Sharia Law is not such a bad idea for Muslims.

    The prison service is over burdened.

    Re Theft.

    Cut off a few limbs and save the prison service the cost.

    Non muslims can continue with the present legal system.

    Posted by Simon | July 6, 2008, 12:25 pm
  257. “the stark alternatives of cultural loyalty or state loyalty”.

    Our Nation
    Our people
    Our laws
    Our values
    Our culture

    The alternatives are indeed a stark contrast.

    Posted by PROUDtobeBRITISH | July 6, 2008, 12:39 pm
  258. I am not a racist person but I am fed up with those who chose to come to my country & tell us what we can & can’t do.
    Its farcical that we are allowing them to do so.
    It annoys me immensely that some people who are born here choose to blow us up.
    If they don’t like my country & its laws then please leave as soon as possible.
    As for sharia law, forget it. If we went to their country, would we be allowed to dictate what we wanted, I dont think so.


    None of us are ‘racists’. We are realists. We see reality and speak the truth about it. - Ed

    Posted by fedupbeing takenforamug | July 8, 2008, 1:30 pm
  259. The truth hurts. Have you ever asked someone how they are? We always reply, doing OK, all right, etc.
    The truth is do we really want to know, or let others know how we really are? We don’t want to know about reality; being real means we have to admit we’re not perfect, that being responsible for our actions means accepting the consequences. No one wants to take responsibility, so we get away from having to deal with the consequences. This time the consequences, like decades ago, comes and bites us on the proverbial….

    Posted by Onemorevoice | July 8, 2008, 8:05 pm
  260. All i can say if these ethnic people want sharia law, let them take it back to their own country!

    Posted by cleggyant | July 11, 2008, 6:56 am
  261. Can anyone connect the dots? One world religion? Did anyone know that 666 in Arabic means Allah? It’s Islam’s holy number. Look it up.

    Posted by renamae | July 11, 2008, 8:15 pm
  262. Glasgow is by far the largest of Scotland’s cities, & the third most populous in the UK. Glasgow has a history of gang violence dating back to the 30’s and, according to The Reform Scotland Report April 2008, violent ‘Crime in Glasgow is now worse than NY’ . The Scotland Independent declared that Glasgow is ‘Britain’s Murder Capital’, where knife crime has spiralled out of control, & a recent study in hospitals in Glasgow found that about half of those treated for knife wounds did not even report the offences to the police.

    Posted by Nasir9987 | July 15, 2008, 11:42 am
  263. Is it against the law to be white in the uk?
    Maybe not yet, but the way things are going it could be.
    All sorts of immigrants are arriving daily, taking our jobs and contributing nothing to our economy.

    This is a nonsense about sharia law. If these people insist on coming here to live, they should at least abide by the laws of our land. If they dont like our laws let them go back to where they came from.
    They like our laws when they receive every benefit going, while people born and bred here are almost “criminalised” for daring to claim benefits.

    Immigrants have brought this country to its knees with the financial and social burdens they place upon it.


    Being an indigenous white Briton isn’t a crime - yet. But saying so seems to be.
    Welcome aboard, istheworldmad. - Ed

    Posted by istheworldmad | July 16, 2008, 7:36 pm
  264. This country is going down the drain quickly. The government has its official figures for population, but I bet it’s much higher thanks to all these unwanted foreigners imposing their stupid ideas on us. We should become a GREAT BRITAIN once again & throw out all these leeches. How dare they live in our country? As for the Archbishop–surely he has committed treason & should therefore be punished!

    Posted by BigBoy | July 17, 2008, 10:56 pm
  265. What REALLY angers me is this softly softly approach.
    WHY in the hell should we adopt a law fit only for primitives?
    What also angers me is that would we get the same hearing in the lands where sharia law applies?
    I think not. Never in a million years. They can’t see that?
    OUR law, OUR rules, we shouldn’t change it at all.
    If that happens then we will eventually be persecuted on our own shores.
    Surely that idiot can see that?

    Posted by Riothamus | July 21, 2008, 12:16 am
  266. The other day when I was shopping this Muslim woman walked past in the full muslim dress - all that could be seen was her beady little eyes. It’s scary seeing things like this…

    As you will appreciate xC, we must be careful not to paint all of any particular group, with the same brush. Bear in mind that certain people are not necessarily at liberty to NOT dress in a particualr manner. That is why we oppose oppression. - Ed.

    Posted by EnglandxChick | July 23, 2008, 9:35 pm
  267. Well, I think the Archbishop of Canterbury is anything but a Christian.

    Maybe he doesn’t understand history. The battles that the Templars fought against the Muslims is just as real now, as it was then.

    The Archbishop appears to be an appeaser a pacifist and likely to negotiate with terrorists.

    Send some knights down there, and off with his head.

    Posted by Tommy | August 4, 2008, 8:15 pm
  268. renamae

    Your connection with 666 and Allah is very interesting. Am I right in asserting that these are connected to show Allah as the devil?

    I’ve always thought that the Great fire of London in 1666 is almost a devil like coincidence.

    Read renames post 6 up from this to learn more.. very interesting.

    Posted by Tommy | August 4, 2008, 10:03 pm
  269. This is why I am a secularist when fools like this are allowed to come out with such garbage. He will want us to start the disgusting practice of cutting animals throats at the slaughter houses as these people are allowed to do in the name of religion.

    Posted by Bruce Ross | August 6, 2008, 7:11 pm