Yet another example of the contempt these ‘Muslim Brits' feel for the British people. The people who have turned this country into the hellhole that it's become (ie. the Labour Party etc.) should be sent for a stroll round this particular area so they too can enjoy the benefits of this diversity they keep telling us all about.

Usual deafening silence from the “anti racist” brigade. Only three convictions from a mob of 30? Still better than none I suppose. I'm anticipating a derisory prison term. I hope I'm wrong, but we all know how much a white life is worth in Britain today.

Another violent racist attack on a white person that the BBC did not mention on the news. The only way to get these incidents broadcast is for the BNP to set up an internet news channel. It is not that difficult. You tube is just one example of video on the internet.

- http://www.uktabloid.co.uk/Main%20News.html is an excellent news portal with plenty of video links-Ed

No press headlines. No surprise. The white people are second class.

Disgusting, yet once again Muslims show their true colours. I am a bit disappointed with the headline though. I don't think it helps our cause using the liberal agenda word ‘Asian'. For too long, Muslim Pakistanis in particular have been hiding under the name ‘Asian'. The media is guilty of this by referring to people it knows full well are of Pakistani or Bengali descent as ‘Asian'. 7/7, Bradford riots, Birmingham riots, Violent cartoon demonstrations, Veil, Glasgow murders, Integration, unemployment etc etc. This really is a Muslim thing. .Asian' is a word of the lefties, labour cronies and the pc brigade–don't play their games–always use the word .Muslim' where appropriate. It's time for the real nature of Islam to explored. It's not as if Sikhs, Hindus and the Chinese people are doing attacks like this. Lets not worry about offending Muslim sensibilities!

During my service with the Met Police from 1970 there were many occasions when any attacks on whites were taboo to mention. The true figures of racial attacks, especially rapes, have been kept in obscurity for decades. It is along the same lines when speaking of foreigners in prisons. The figures include foreigners who have British passports, and thus the true figure is kept down. Over half of all prisoners here are foreign.

Over the course of the last weeks some of the other 30 have been put on trial, but charges have been dismissed by the woman judge. When the guilty verdicts were announced last week, Delwar Hussain, according to the East London Advertiser,.collapsed in the dock and wailed loudly throughout the rest of the hearing. Friends and relatives in the public gallery also burst into tears'. The only emotion these people know appears to be self-pity. Knives, chair legs, metal poles and an axe were used in the attack. The victim's girlfriend climbed onto his body and tried to hold his head together while she herself was hit with a metal pole. The attack took place, incidentally, in a secluded car-park and was prolonged. (Their car was parked by the estate where some of the gang lived, the pub was some distance away.) The three are due to be sentenced on January 11th.

I'm not sure, by the way, a Muslim label would help in this case. Decent Muslims (and they do exist) would not regard their actions as those of good Muslims. And the .Asian' label in this type of case is widely understood to refer to Bangladeshis or Pakistanis (these youths are Bangladeshi). More irritating, I think, is when they are simply called .British' - as they tend to be whenever they misbehave outside our borders. And, after all, this vermin could just as easily have been black - there was nothing particularly .Muslim'about this racist attack.

Will things get Better or Worse.

The State of the Nation http://uppompeii1.uppompeii.com/2007/12/10/he-who-pays-the-piper-calls-the-tune.aspx http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article1719968.ece http://www.underthecarpet.co.uk/Pages/NewsArticle.php?num=2195 http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/apr/04/localgovernment.politics http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/4310965.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/west_midlands/6613769.stm http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece http://www.peterboroughtoday.co.uk/news/Former-mayor-is-charged-following.3160219.jp http://www.theasiannews.co.uk/news/s/1019288_man_jailed_after_impersonating_voter http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/6178224.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/4425519.stm http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2788987.ece http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2005/apr/04/localgovernment.politics

The Eradication of National Identity http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/865

http://www.met.police.uk/wanted/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7092707.stm http://www.met.police.uk/wanted/othercases.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7092711.stm http://iamanenglishman.com/rogues_gallery.php http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

http://www.west-midlands.police.uk/wanted/index.asp If you even mention this, the Govt will Prosecute you for it (TWICE !!) and if they fail, they will change te law to make it easier to shut you up next time. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2538090.ece http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/crime/article2237940.ece

http://newnation.org/NNN-UK-Europe.html

http://thefallenlist.blogspot.com/

http://warband.wordpress.com/ http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/018862.php#comments

http://bloodandtreasure.typepad.com/blood_treasure/2005/05/i_was_a_troll_f.html#comments

http://warband.wordpress.com/category/paedophilia/

http://www.crimestoppers-uk.org/wanted/ukmostwanted/

Where is this Great Country Headed ?

Where will it all End for Britain, and the British http://uk.wrs.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geumd.bSxHzxIA2VlLBQx.;_ylu=X3oDMTFjNjlhZTk0BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMjkEY29sbwNhYzIEdnRpZANVSzAyNjNfMjYzBGwDV1Mx/SIG=11osv4b7l/EXP=1194180350/**http%3A//blog.ilanamercer.com/%3Fp=378 http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/news/opeds/2003/power_kill_country_am_1203.htm http://deathofjohannesburg.blogspot.com/ http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2007/09/onethird_of_sas.php

So what's all the fuss about? It's only attempted murder with a machete. These individuals are the victims of the well-known media campaign against the Muslim community; and I'm a bowl of onion soup. No need to worry: justice will be done, handed down in the form of two hours' ‘community service' and a free sarari in la-la land. Of course this isn't being reported fairly - that would constitute ‘racism'. I wish the culprits who tried to murder themselves, a full and speedy recovery.

London is now over-run in many parts by foreign invaders. Make no mistake-this is exactly what they are. Once in situ and in large numbers the murders and killing begin. God help us all and any white people left in the overrun areas who are unable to escape. The police are unable to cope and due to politial correctness we cannot discuss this and take action. This current Labour Government is the worst in the history of the British peoples and are traitors to our race,culture and futures.

They are under the sad delusion that any part of this country is actually ‘their turf'.

I fear for my children, Our Govt must be doing this deliberately.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2409833.ece

Not that I'm surprised but I have not heard or read anything mentioned in the media regarding this appalling hate crime.

Could you imagine the furor if the unfortunate victim of this race hate crime had been Asian or Black and his assailants White?

By continuously covering up racist hate crime against Whites and only reporting on hate crimes against the non White population, the media have mislead the British public into believing that hate crime is only against Black or Asian et al., people.

yet another blood boiling incident. im sick of hearing about steven laurence yet i dont remember hearing about john payne. what the hell is happening in this country. the only hope now for british people is the bnp

I think there is heavy censorship of the media in this country. That is why any white on black crime is trumpeted from the rooftops but when the situation is reversed all we hear is a deafening silence. Back in September this year there was a huge Anti-Islam march in Belgium. Riots and fighting broke out. Did you hear about this? No!! Well it was not reported by Sky,BBC or ITV. Where did I get it? From Al-Jazeera news who reported it as they were upset that anyone should not love Islam. More and more of our information is being censored by the media in what can only be described as a sinister conspiracy.

After writing to the Voice Newspaper complaining about one sided racism, I was invited to an editors forum where there were discussing racist Britain with a selected panel of MP's and other interested groups, search light, The Guardian Newspaper etc.

After I threw the question at them of 'What racism have you actually and personally experienced in Britain?' They to a man fumbled and related innocuous anecdotal stories, like. 'I was offered a house in an area where the BNP got in and when I went to view it the man next door thought I was the gardener'?

When I asked them all to tell me about Steven Lawrence, Anthony Walker, Chris Donald, Ross Parker, Gavin Hopley and all the others, surprise surprise they only new two of them.

I knew they were blind to real racism, but after this meeting I came away totally convinced that they are wilfully ignoring every act of real racism against Whites but engineering every other situation into stories to fit their agenda of the poor down trodden B.E.M community!

What an enlightening comment on the “Voice” newspaper, if that is not a grandiose misnomer for a weekly catalogue of transparently obnoxious, delusional, black racist propaganda. Quite why respectable newsagents and retail outlets put this “journal” on open sale, and quite why the authorities don't prosecute them for doing so, defeats me. (On second thoughts, that last comment was a bit daft - we all know that, when standing up in support of proper British values in the face of “community relations”, the “authorities” are about as rigid as a modern Tokyo skyscraper.

Come on now! You can't class all Asians the same. There are thugs in every race. I would be more inclined to call these guys thugs not Asians.

I believe that the word “thug” originated in the Indian subcontinent, referring to gangs of extremely unpleasant criminally-orientated individuals who had a habit of infringing the personal liberties of defenceless persons and relieving them of their personal impedimenta, if not their lives. Therefore, strictly speaking, “thugs” do NOT belong to every race but rather to the persons depicted at the top of your story. Someone please correct me if I am wrong.

i think that our great government *cough* has done more to destroy our hopes of a better britain and highlight the ‘ race hate crimes against black/asian/other and have nearly never highlighted the vicious crimes and real RACES HATE crimes done a great example of what would NOT HAPPEN if we were in POWER ! ! !

Deliberate Underreporting. http://policewatchuk.blogspot.com/search/label/Police%20Spin

As a General Rule with Media Reporting Indigenous British victims are only identified if the Killer is Indigenous British. Ethnic Killers are usually not Identified in the Media, or are confined to the Middle Pages, rarely making headlines.

As a General Rule ONLY Indigenous Brit Murderers make it onto the Front Pages / Headlines.

think about it.Name the Most well known criminal cases you can. Ian Huntley, Fred West, Beverly Allet, the Dunblane Massacre, the Black Panther Murders, the Stephen Lawrence Murder, Dr Shipman Peter Sutcliffe, Damiola Taylor, Chris Langham, MichaelBarrymore, the Guy in the Portugal Maddelaine case.

Notice anything ?

They will get off lightly ,just like the animals that attacked that young school boy in swindon ,they will get away with it.There was another unprovoked attack on a white man the other night in west swindon ,a gang of “asians” decided to beat the hell out of someone going to his mates house ,they used a baseball bat to do it because as we all know they cant use their hands.I hope when the BNP get into power they find all these attackers and punnish them as they should have been in the first place and when they have had their just deserts deport them back to their backward countries that they came from .

When I recently e-mailed this article to a journalist, her reply was very interesting:

‘Is anybody writing to the national papers to ask why they are not using this story?' [To my knowlege, the only newspaper to report on this case so far has been the East London Advertiser.]

‘I asked the Mail why they did not report the story of the BNP man killed by his Muslim neighbour and the reply was: “We can't report everything and he was a horrible person, anyway.” A detailed report of suchlike responses would be quite interesting. I called The Sun too, but was left holding on by a young reporter who said he didn't know and didn't care.'

‘I suggest you get people to ring the News Desk of these papers to ask them why it is not being reported, saying they are researching racism and self-censorship in the British media. Is there any reason for the apparent refusal to report coloured on white crime? Is it a conscious decision to ignore it or pretend it does not exist? Why are they suppressing stories that would make people buy their papers?'

‘Their excuse is that, quite often, they cannot tell if race comes into the story and PCC guidelines tell them not to bring up race unnecessarily. If they say: “We don't want to give the impression that most criminals are non-white.” then you ask them why not, if it is true. Get them to paint themselves into a corner and then expose their motives.'

‘When you have overt racist insults, eg “white honkies” prior to a violent attack, it is an open-and-shut case of deliberate suppression. Ditto that BNP man killed by his Muslim neighbour after a boundary dispute. How can people pretend there is no racial element and be allowed to get away with it?'

I'm absolutely baffled at how and why the white British Libby Lefties insist on handing the keys to the country over to Muslims! I just can't make any sense of it, other than it is a consipiricy, but again, WHY?! This country has such a beautiful and long history of noble sovereignty and yet in just 10 years that long history has been destroyed by Liberalism. Even the “Conservatives” (HAHA) kowtow and appease the Islamics. I'm American of British ancestry living here and if I could find a way to vote (and cheat like they do) I would stuff the ballot box with votes for the BNP!

Surely this cannot have been a racist attack. The BBC teaches us that racism can only come from white people. Maybe these poor Asian lads felt oppressed in some way. The enrichment continues….

I think the bnp should produce a leaflet listing the many racial attacks on white people over the last few years with a title of “THE RACE ATTACKS THE BBC DONT WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT” or some similar headline, with comparisons to coverage of the black Stephen Lawrence hysteria headlines.This type of bnp leaflet and the racist white hating “blink operation black vote” printed from blink uk web site would maybe shake some white folk from their slumber.

i feel so sick about this, action must be taken NOW!

I used to live in east London, and I can vouch for the many so-called no-go areas for whites and also the amount of racist attacks against whites by Asians under the guise of (being attacked for being in the wrong area)

And reporting such an attack is akin to reporting a lost cat where no-one gives a damn except the owner

Hmm I wonder why I never heard about this incident on the BBC today. I have been listening to the radio all day.

I have read the bbc news web site. Nothing on their front page.

Yet everytime there is an alleged white on black incident it makes the front page.

The reason we're treated as second class citizens in our own land is simple. The immigrant population is better organized politically, and not prone to being attacked by traitors in it's midst. Immigrants know the power of the ballot box - they often don't have a say at home, so take steps to ensure theyvote when they can. Look at the plethora of ballot-rigging that has happened in the last few years, almost all of it alleged to have been perpetrated by people from south Asian countries, especially Pakistan.

Our fearless and altruistic politicians know this. It is easier to slag the BNP off in the press than it is to convince white people to go and vote, whereas the benefits of currying (sic) the Indian and Pakistani vote are huge. Galloway proved this - he managed to overturn the vote of a well-known MP and get himself elected, simply by establishing his bona fides with the Asian population in East London.

It's the same across the world, it would appear. It wasn't that long ago that there were riots and coups in Fiji, sparked by the election of an Indian-dominated parliament and later by the election of an Indian prime minister. Similar stories can be heard in other places where large scale immigration from the Indian sub-continent has taken place, Kenya, for example. The commercial class there is dominated by Indians.

If we are serious about ensuring politicans do the right thing, then we have to strip the vote from anyone who isn't of British ancestry. This will stop the ruling classes pandering to their whims, and give control back to the people who have lived here for thousands of years.

I'm sure people will start screeching about racism, but they don't have a leg to stand on. India, Pakistan - they threw British imperial immigrants out of their countries, so it smacks of double standards for them to start bleating if we turn around and do it right back.

Multiculturalism cannot work. If people were meant to live together as one happy family, there would be no countries in the first place. “Hope not Hate” is the slogan the ANaL use on their banners - I'd love to think that one day we would all live in harmony, but the reality is that humans have been fighting other humans for tens of thousands of years based on ethnic and cultural differences. Multiculturalism will only work when there's one person left alive on the planet.

I believe this crime should carry a very heavy sentance, but i fear it will not. I also expect to hear in the future of aisian only prisons.

Where are the newspaper and television headlines???? I hope they get a really heavy sentence. I bet they won't! I'm sure they will enjoy their time in jail and all the benefits that brings!

While driving through central London last summer, there was a police sign at some traffic lights near the Wellington Hospital requesting help with a racist attack. People who had been driving a bentley with Union Jacks on the doors had been attacked when they stopped at the lights, presumably by people of an ethnic origin if the police were treating it as a racist attack. There is something seriuously wrong if you can't drive through a British city displaying your country's flag without getting attacked. This incident is what really made me support the BNP, along with Gordon Brown's plans to build over vast areas of rural southeast England.

My son is a London Fighter who on the way to work stopped at a Tesco's in a Muslim area and had the Union Jack that was on his aerial set on fire while he was in the supermarket. Doesn't everyone understand that these people hate our nation and us; they are actively working to Islamifiy the whole of Europe with Britain as their first prize. http://sioe.wordpress.com/

26th January Amsterdam

R1 - that's a great idea. Perhaps the government could be persuaded to build prisons for foreign criminals in another country. Iraq or Afghanistan, maybe?

Of course, it seems that it's the UK that has to suffer these indignities alone, there's nary a mention of similar incidents abroad. They do happen, however:

http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/1130 http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/995 http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/10/26/paris-riots.html

And so the list goes on.

ANOTHER MUSLIM GANG HAMMER ATTACK TRIAL - but strangely the word racist does not appear once, I wonder why?

See http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7174897.stm

Seven face hammer attack charges

Mr Webster was attacked in January 2007 Seven people have gone on trial charged in connection with a hammer attack on a schoolboy in Wiltshire. Henry Webster, 15 at the time, suffered skull fractures during the incident on tennis courts at Ridgeway School in Wroughton, last January.

Three adults - Wasis Khan, Anjad Quazi and Nazrul Amin - and four youths aged between 15 and 16 are charged with grievous bodily harm with intent.

They are also charged with conspiracy to commit grievous bodily harm.

Mark

The word racist does appear now Mark. Guess who's claiming they were racially abused as an excuse for attempted murder - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/wiltshire/7179508.stm

['Thug' = 'Thugee', an Indian death cult who worshipped Kali, the godess of destruction. Their favourite occupation was ambushing travellers and strangling them, in order to provide fresh corpses for their mistress, with the minimum of blood loss so that this mystical monster could gorge herself.] If these pondlife get more than a few years, I'll be surprised. Whatever they get, it won't be enough. Interesting that it takes thirty of these thugs to fell one innocent person. I wonder what so-called Sharia ‘law' would give them? On the basis of the recent 'sentence' handed down in Iran to the eight-year-old boy, they'd have to kill him about forty-seven times, then dig him up and start again. (I wouldn't put that past them, either.) The Iranian boy had stolen a loaf of bread from the market, presumably because of hunger; happily, all they did to him was run over and break his arm with a truck. That'll teach him the error of his ways and the love of the compassionate and merciful, then. Eight years old, for Heaven's sake. May the good Lord help us to save ourselves from these creatures. Amen.

We do not hear reports of crimes against whites because the media has been infiltrated and controlled by the trendy lefty commie types who enforce the PC brigades' idealism.

There is also the racist hammer attack on the white lad in wiltshire mentioned here.We should compile BNP leaflets of ALL these race attacks on whites and deliver these leaflets in time for the local elections

I am dumstruck as to how the government can openly allow these attcks to go on, because that is exactly what they are doing, they are allowing this to happen.

The 3 were due to be sentenced this afternoon (11th January) - the rest of the gang (who had managed to get themselves acquitted of all charges) were sitting in a line in the public gallery of Court #11 at the Old Bailey - pretending to be the “family” of the accused. The impact statements of the 3 victims were heart-rending - their lives have been PERMANENTLY transformed for the worse.

But there'll be nothing permanent in the sentences given out to Messrs Islam, Hussein & Hussein. Each of their lawyers (they had one each!!) was at pains to point out that the judge should show leniency, despite the serious charge of attempted murder. (It wasn't a planned execution after all!) Why? Because of their heavy use of alcohol, & cannabis (read: ‘crack'); their low IQs; their relative youth (crimes of this sort apparently ‘fall off' after the age of 20 - so just as long God protects their victims until they reach this age then); unusual level of “peer pressure” (each apparently had been goaded on to take part in the attack by other people entirely - so perhaps the wrong 3 people were on trial then!); the fact that it wasn't racist at all - not really. And so on and so on. It was absolutely nauseating to listen to…

I am sick and tired of listening to and hearing about these and other attacks on ENGLISH people, WHITE ENGLISH people!!! We as a nation lost several thousands of young soldiers in WW11 and it now looks as if those lives were lost for nothing!!

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!!

Isn't it about time we stood up and actually did something about these people who enter our country and then demand our LAWS be changed to suit them.

I for one am ready to do what it takes to get our country back, before its too late.

18 years apiece. Suddenly 18 years seems like such a short time. Unlike for the victim.

What is amusing is that the UAF have failed yet again, to gather a multitude of multicultural looking people, to serenade 'Racists' out side the courts of non white racist.

Is this not racist?

good point narcosis!

5.15 pm and nothing yet on the BBC website. What a surprise!

The judge aired her view in court that whatever sentence she set the offenders would be probably released in about half that time. Take that as 9 years then, probably less. All of them released by the time they're 30. Nice thought, eh?

The problem here is not one of religion, but one of anti-white racists, who hate the country they live in. 1st, 2nd and 3rd genereation immigrants like this are a problem regardless of their religion. Another problem, certainly in Norfolk, is White immigrants from Eastern Europe, who only come here to exploit the country. As for these racist animals in particular, they want noosing up.

BNP-Supporting White Muslim, I appreciate what your saying but religion has EVERYTHING to do with the state England is in.

Pussyfooting around the tidal wave of Muslims in this country by trying not to be pained with rascism brush, accepting and living with their culture when they do bugger all to get involved with our own and being put on waiting lists for housing for years because immigrants get the houses first - is making the Native English people bloody mad!

It's all relative and unfortunatley a line needs to be drawn. That line is - go back to the country you cam from. Its quite simple - then they can have the Islamic country they want. WE DONT WANT IT.

Dear friend, BNP supporting white Muslim.

In respect to the religion of Islam, this religion has no place in Europe or any country that values individual free thought and freedom. Islam is a religion of mind control in its worst form, look around the world at every Islamic country and give us an example of Islam being practiced in a manner that we would find acceptable.

It is intolerant, elitist, barbaric and totally medieval. We as free nations left that time period behind hundreds of years ago; Islam is trying to drag us all back.

I have no problem with Islam or Muslims practicing their beliefs in their own countries and I think it wrong that we in the West should try to impose democracy on them. As many Muslim's have said 'Democracy go to Hell'!

What we all abhor is this religion coming to the West and trying to impose itself on us, we don't want it. We need to expunge it completely from these Islands before it's to late.

Peace.

i live on this estate an was put on a pvp regester by my houseing office in stepney way free to look me up an you will see sine i was put on the pvp reg they try everything to get me out remove my car 7 times.trust me they treat me bad but i still standing an i dont care if they give me some other lame resson for keeping me on it this year this estate is under attack this means that if your white an you carnt fight then dont come round here this is how we live day to day. i dive 1 hour everday to take my son to school just because i can not put him in a school were he is the only white kid he can not go outside to play.things need to change GOD SAVE THE QUEEN im not a racist i just want my home back.

if it was the other way round it would be all over the news. did anyone hear about the Marks & spencer Muslim checkout girl who refused to serve a lady becuse she wanted to buy a childrens Bible. the checkout clamied it was unclean book! this was not reported by the bbc only the daily mail and daily express shocking

I think the whole country has now heard about the Marks & Spencer muslim assistant by now. Isn't strange how these muslims claim to be insulted and to have their precious feelings hurt at the drop of a hat, yet seem to make a regular pastime of insulting and offending everyone else? Somehow the phrase “arrogant, bigotted hypocrisy” comes to mind.

Supergeorge, God bless - wish we could get you your home back! George, have you lived there for a while? Do you know who destroyed the Holland's pub?

I am sick of hearing about muslims not wanting to do something, like serve alcohol in a supermarket etc, coz of their religion! Whatever the religion of the country you are in, you must abide by the rules.I dont go to another country and start spouting on about my beliefs! And why? Cos i have respect for others! Muslims do not have any respect or any morals. That is why they kill good, innocent people in a cowardly way. There is going to be a backlash very soon unless Gormless Brown and his party of faggots take control and cease giving away all our ENGLISH CHRISTIAN heritage. If there is a backlash….. i will be there…armed to the teeth and ready to help take out those who choose to inflict misery and racial hatred towards to west. I do not care if people think i am being racist or if the politicaly correct goon brigade think i am out of order. I am sick of being shafted tax wise, and more importantly, watching my beautiful country get given away by the EU and that people who have NO TIES to this country can sit back and take, take, take!!! We need armed border control with a shoot to kill mentality. Make ‘border jumpers' realise the UK is becoming tough, and the concequences for trying to poison our country will be death!

Maid Marion, I'm sorry, but RELIGION has nothing to do with the state of the country. UNCHECKED IMMIGRATION has EVERYTHING to do with the problem. Unchecked Immigration from Eastern European countries, for example. Another problem with the country, is that the police's hands are tied, so they are unable to effectively deal with the ‘hoodies' who treat the streets like their own. Religion has NOTHING to do with those issues.

The tidal wave you are refering to, is BOGUS ASYLUM SEEKERS who HAPPEN to be MUSLIMS. Their religion is not the cause of the problem.

Every country that claims to be ‘God fearing' should be Islamic, as that was God's last revelation to Mankind.

Please do not confuse contemporary ‘Muslim Countries', with what is actually stated in the Holy Qur'an. Have you ever read the text yourself?

Ancient Briton, Peace be upon you.

How do you reach that conclusion? The Holy Qur'an specifically states that there is no compulsion in religion, and, in one of the last suras, specifically states that people can believe what they want. There is no obligation for people to believe in Allah (God), it is entirely a personal choice.

Those countries you refer to, I would agree, are barbaric and unacceptable. However, I would point out, that, despite protestations of their devotion, they are not following True Islam, as written in the Holy Qur'an. The treatment of women in those countries, for example, is not condoned or specified as required ANYWHERE in the text. It is probably more accurate to call these practices Sunnism rather than Islam, as they incorporate the personal opinions of the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, and that is specifically against commandment not to add ANYTHING to Allah (God) What is being observed in those countries, is 1400 years of corruption of the original message (which is clear to anyone who actually takes the time to read the Holy Qur'an) should not be considered Islam, nor should people who follow it solely by upbringing and habit, be considered Muslims. A Muslim is someone who CHOOSES to submit to Allah (God) Doing so out of familial practice is not the same as making the choice to do so.

As I say above, any country which considers itself ‘God fearing' (ie Catholics/Christians/Jews) should be following the final revelation as laid out in the Holy Qur'an, not the corrupted versions created by Constantine, with the creation of the Catholic Church. All I am saying, is that anyone who truly believes in God, and lives according to His Will, is a Muslim (Arabic word for ‘one who submits to God's will')

As for the “Democracy go to Hell” protests, look at the people making them. Uneducated citizens of countries which use a corruption of Islam to keep the populace in line. That is not Islam, but SOCIAL, regionally-dictated issues. Those countries would have those issues whatever religion they followed.

Christianity and Catholicism were imposed ‘on us' by the Roman Empire. Prior to that, Britain was a Pagan country. How many people here are Pagans? That is the ‘original religion' of the British Isles, if one wants to be technical. Islam is simply the last revelation from the same God as worshipped by Catholics/Christians/Jews, and demonization and misinformation about it, will not change that fact. Unless people plan to force the population to practice Christianity, then Islam, as a system of belief, will never be expunged from the country, nor should it be. What we need to get rid of, are the social parasites: The asylum seekers who should all have declared themselves way before they reached Englad, the economic migrants from Eastern Europe who come here to exploit our systems (they may be ‘white', but they are still scum) and the home-grown ‘hoodies'. They need proper discipline and punishment for their actions, not ASBOs and Behavioural Contracts. Continually turning the other cheek doesn't solve anything, it just gets you slapped harder.

Peace

BritishSpanish, WhitePower, There is nothing in the Holy Qur'an which says that a Muslim cannot serve alcohol to people. There is nothing in the Holy Qur'an which says that a Muslim should discriminate against Christians or Jews (People of the Book) There is nothing in the Holy Qur'an which says that a woman must completely cover her face.

All these stories, are from people who are acting and making a scene for political reasons, they are not ‘true Muslims', or they would understand the teachings of the Holy Qur'an properly. How many off-licences nation-wide are run by Muslims? Where is their objection to serving alcohol? Answer, there is none, because it is not specifically named as forbidden in the Holy Qur'an. WhitePower, the original religion of this country, is PAGANISM. Christianity was IMPOSED on the British by the Roman Empire. I am not trying to undermine or ridicule your beliefs, and believe me, I admire your passion for ridding our country for the filth that corrupts it, but seriously, if you want to state about ‘British religious heritage', please get your facts right.

BNP-Supporting White Muslim: To pretend that religion has nothing to do with the state of the country, is like saying the climate has nothing to do with floods. ‘Every country that claims to be .God fearing' should be Islamic, as that was God's last revelation to Mankind.' Your own words, in support of your view that religion has nothing to do with it! Can't you detect just a smidjen of contradiction in what you say?

You have stated what is your opinion, and you have stated your belief: it is not fact, any more that my opinion or my belief are fact. I endured about fifty pages of that particular book, that was enough to at least confirm that which I certainly do NOT believe. There is nothing you can do to change my position; but I have no wish to somehow impose ‘conversion' on you, as that is a totally ridiculous concept which, we thought, had run its course centuries ago in the Christian world… in the shape of beheadings, burnings and all the other barbarity committed in the name of ‘God'.

We are not ‘confused', we know what's going on thank you very much. I refer you to the comments made above by Ancient Briton. It's easier than typing it out again. I'll just add one thing: ‘We will defend these islands, whatever the cost may be.'

BNP supporting White Muslim, your last comment says it all, you are more concerned about protecting the name of Islam then anything else. The biggest problem people have is with immigration is it allows Muslim thugs (such as the ones in this article) usually of Pakistani or Bangladeshi descent who terrorize white, Hindu and Sikh communities to go unchallenged under the name of diversity and tolerance. This article would have been better named “Muslims found guilty in shattering man's skull in attack”. I have actually read the Qur'an it it is one of the most evil books I have ever read. Unchecked Eastern immigration is bad as you pointed out rightly, but you misunderstand the mentality of the British people if you think we see this case as having nothing to do with the evil of the Islamic religion. Remember these three guys were British born Muslims, not illegal immigrants.

APendragon, Do you believe in God?

There is no contradiction there at all. When I said 'should', I was simply meaning that the final revelations from God, supercede previous ones, so those would be the more relevent revelations to follow. I did not mean 'should' to imply enforcement or obligation, my apologies if I was not clear on that point. As the Qur'an states: There is no compulsion in religion.

I have no desire to convert anyone either. I never said I did. I was simply pointing out, that what passes as ‘Islam' in some rather backwards countries around the world, is very different from what is actually written in the Qur'an. There is quite a bit more to the Qur'an than 50 pages. I would encourage you to read it all, as that clarifies some passages. Do you find it objectionable that the Qur'an specifically states that divorced fathers must pay maintenance for their children? Or that people should be kind to their neighbours, and the less fortunate? Or that criminals should be punished? The Bible features the same ‘eye for an eye' punishments, afterall, the messages are from the same God…

Not confused? Really. There are people who think that the Qur'an gives men the right to take any woman ‘their right hand posesses' (ie if they can hold them, they can have them) That is utterly wrong, and a deliberate misinterperetation of the text. It refers to women a man could have relations with, which would not be considered fornication, and ‘which their right hand posesses', refered to domestic servants. The Qur'an also states that people have free-will, so if a woman refuses a man, then that is that. Rape is not condoned in the Qur'an, and the punishment for it, is severe.

Indeed, these islands do need protecting. Protecting from immigrants who seek to abuse and rip off our systems. Protection from people born here who act like yobs as they have nothing to fear from the law. Religion has nothing to do with those problems.

Peace

ReformedJames, Of course I am concerned about protecting the name of Islam. The true faith, as specified in the Qur'an, is not that which is practiced by rabid Hadithists in Iraq or North Africa. Modern-day Christianity is VERY different to the message Jesus passed on (and was created primarily by Constantine) One should judge a religion by it's scriptures and nothing else.

What do you find evil about the Qur'an? No, James, the problem with unchecked immigration is not ‘Muslim Thugs' (who are nothing but mal-content 2nd generation immigrants) but the white trash pouring in from Eastern Europe. Did you hear about the girl in Norfolk who was turned away from a factory job because she couldn't speak Polish, and most of the staff were Polish? THAT is the problem with immigration, not the way people pray to God.

What did you find evil about the Qur'an? Did you read it cover to cover, or just read random passages and view them out of context? I started reading the Qur'an to find fault with it, but found none, and that was why I converted. I don't misunderstand the mentality of the British people at all. I read Freedom, I vote and support the BNP. I am white. I was BORN in THIS COUNTRY. My religion does not change my feelings about this country, nor does it change my feelings about the problem of unchecked immigration. All it has changed, is shown me that Islam is not really the problem. The problem is one of malcontent immigrants who hate the country, and immigrants who come here to exploit it.

Indeed, these animals were British Born. But. There is nothing in the Qur'an which would condone or encourage their actions. There is much, however, which utterly criticises such actions. The problem with those animals, is that they are racist thugs, living in an area of other racist thugs.

Remember these three guys were British born Muslims, not illegal immigrants.

I was born in Malaysia, but adopted by my mother and father, who are both fully english, ex army etc. Speak and talk full English, and only English. I have lived in England since 3 weeks old, and I have the same views about foreigners (islams, pakistans etc) coming to this country and taking everything, and blowing things up etc. So if this party was in power, would I get deported out of the country? Because aparantly this party isnt racist, so I am slightly confused.

Ed Says: No, you would not. We welcome those that respect our culture and heritage and are happy to contribute to it, without wishing to change it

BNP-Supporting White Muslim&. You are wrong. The biggest problem in this country IS religion! This country IS Christian. Why do you think religion is not the issue here, when clearly, everyday on the news we hear about idiots like abu hamza and osama bin laden and the hatred they are inciting about the West. The Christians do not go around crashing planes and blowing up train stations and bus stations in Muslim countries through an act of mindless, cowardly terrorism. Its TERRORISM! And its terrorism against the west, by the east! By Muslims&&..! When did you ever hear about a hindu or sikh or jew blowing things up and killing innocent people. I have read the bible and the koran and my honest opinion is that the koran is full of hypocritical jibber jabber and double standards. I mean& what is it all about when women are treated like slaves and second class citizens under muslim beliefs. Why can a muslim man have several wives but a muslim woman cant have several husbands? Why can a muslim man stone to death his wife if he suspects she has cheated? Why is there arranged marriages with muslims? In the muslim world, what the koran says&. goes! And that is another issue with religion. There is nothing wrong with be religious, but alot wrong with living in the dark ages and treating people like trash because .mohammed' said so!!

WhitePower, I am not wrong. I KNOW religion is not the issue here, becuse these animals attacked someone because they are RACISTS. This country is Christian NOW. Before the Roman Empire INVADED IT, it was a PAGAN COUNTRY. Also, Christianity is a perversion of the message Jesus had. It was created by MAN, specificaly, Constantine, rather than being the true message from GOD. If you think that extremist scum like Abu Hamza and Osame Bin Laden represent the MAJORITY of Muslims world-wide, then I'm afraid it is YOU who are wrong. Yes, those things are terrorism, and yes, they are Muslims (in name) but, not ALL Muslims are terrorists. There is NOTHING in the Qur'an which condones terrorism or tells people to commit it. Infact, there are commandments specifically AGAINST it. Have you actually read the Qur'an? If you had, you would know that the Qur'an does not specify a man can have four wives but a woman can't have several husbands. There's is nothing which says a man can stone his wife to death if he SUSPECTS she has cheated. The issue about wives, was a CULTURAL issue from the times of Muhammad, peace be upon him. It was a way of ensuring that women widowed through war would have the protection of a male household. That is a CULTURAL issue, not an ISLAMIC one. Someone being stoned to death is NOT done because someone SUSPECTS something, it is the PUNISHMENT for when something has been PROVEN BY TRIAL, requiring FOUR WITNESSES. As for arranged marriages, the idea is a complex one. Sex outside of marriage is fornication, and fornication is forbidden to Muslims (by GOD's command, not by Muhammad's, peace be upon him) If people are married at a younger age (remember, that the ages set now are only recent legal standards) then they will be able to have and enjoy sex at the age when their hormones are kicking off, but within the confines of marriage, rather than fornication. The idea behind the arranging of the marriages, is that at a young age, the people might not have the best idea about who would be a suitable LONG-TERM SPOUSE, so the parents use their own experience to choose a reasonable candidate. Something which you are either forgetting, or, more likely, do not know, is that even with arranged marriages, either party has the right to REFUSE the marriage and choose someone else. It is only in backwards countries where they are enforced, and, those countries are not following the true spirit of Islam. Indeed, there is a lot wrong with living in the dark ages and treating people like trash because MUHAMMAD, peace be upon him, said so. Especially as the Qur'an specifically told Muhammad, peace be upon him, NOT to guide people (as has wound up happening) He was a messenger from God, nothing more. It is 1400 years of corrupted religious teachings which show the kind of ‘Islam' which prevails in the middle east and north africa, and, it is certainly not true Islam. By all means, have an opinion on Islam, you are free to believe what you want, but please, stop spouting this anti-Islamic rhetoric. It's embarassing that British people believe this garbage, when a single reading of the Qur'an would show them that the points you raised, are either not supported by Islam, or, are extremely distorted messages about it. As Nick Griffin said himself in one of his speeches: Read the Qur'an yourself. It's available from any major book shop or online.

Of course Islam isn't the problem…oh hang on…. Surah 9 v29 ‘Fight those who believe not in Allah…' v41 ‘Go ye forth, whether equipped lightly or heavily and strive and struggle, with your goods and your persons in the Cause of Allah…' or how about v123 ‘O ye who believe! Fight the Unbelievers…' Rather worrying unless…Surah 8 v74 ‘Those who believe and adopt exile and fight for the Faith, in the Cause of Allah as well as those who give them asylum and aid - these are all in very truth the believers…' Oh well, so long as we bow down before Islam we're all safe then…phew!

A couple of other peaches from Muhammed's big book of murder - Surah 2 v216 ‘Fighting is prescribed for you…' v221 ‘Do not marry unbelieving women until they believe: a slave woman who believes is better…nor marry your girls to unbelievers until they believe: a man slave who believes is better…' v223 Your wives are as a tilth to you; so approach your tilth when or how you will…' v244 ‘Then fight in the cause of Allah…' Surah 3 v12 ‘Say to those who reject Faith: Soon will ye be vanquished and gathered together and driven into hell…' v28 Let not the believers take for friends and helpers unbelievers…' v83 ‘…while all creatures in the Heavens and on Earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to his will…' v139 ‘…Ye must gain mastery if ye are in true faith.' Surah 4 v3 ‘Marry women of your choice, 2, 3 or 4…or a captive that your right hands possess…' v101 ‘…the unbelievers are unto you open enemies.' v90 ‘…intoxicants…are an abomination…' Surah 8 v60 ‘…strike terror into the hearts of the enemies of Allah…' More from Surah 9 v29 - ‘Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the last day…until they pay the jizyah with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.' Surah 13 v41 ‘See they not that we gradually reduce the land in their control…' Five pillars of islam? I think five columns is more correct.

BNP -Muslim You notice how you have freedom to proselytize here in the West in what are basically Christian countries, all the while trying to recommend to us the virtues of Islam! While interestingly this religion that you have chosen to sign up to does not afford the same freedom to others, indeed Islam and its adherents think nothing of intimidating and murdering those of another faith in their rabid adherence to this medieval belief. They forbid proselytizing in Islamic countries, they restrict the rights of other religions to openly practice their faiths; they threaten those Muslims who wish to leave Islam with death. Everywhere the Koran has found a home and followers there is intolerance and bigotry, you claim that this religion is for our betterment and yet Muslims flee Islamic lands in their millions to get to the West and all it has to offer.

There is nothing in the Koran for us; you make a quote from the Koran stating there is no compulsion in religion and that it is for each to make a choice.

Such lies, when the Koran openly commands its followers to kill the unbeliever.

The Koran and Muslims speak with a forked tongue so as to hide their real agenda, you believe that you can lie to the infidel that is us and it is not a sin, because you are advancing the cause of Islam. You even have a word for this lying 'Taqiyya' so you can come on websites like this extolling Islam fully knowing that it is totally incompatible and destructive to our lives.

Islam has no place in our countries it will destroy our nations just as it has destroyed all that have embraced it. We do not want your Islamic utopia, we do not stop you returning to it, so please don't try to make our Britain into one.

TrueBlueLoyalist. Quoting partial passages in an attempt to take them entirely out of context, is not going to change the meaning of the true text into something negative. Of course, such tricks might work on the uneducated who have not actually read the ENTIRE TEXT, but with anyone who has, frankly, it is laughable and pathetic. You must also consider, that you are (I assume) reading an English translation, from Ancient Arabic. It cannot be taken as being 100% accurate to as the original intention in the original text. The word ‘fight' can also be taken to mean 'struggle'. It does not have to refer solely to physical violence. Debating in such a manner can be considered ‘fighting with those who believe not in Allah'. Also, your interperetation of Surah3 V 4 is either an accidental, or deliberate alteration of the text. It actually reads: [4.3] And if you fear that you cannot act equitably towards orphans, then marry such women as seem good to you, two and three and four; but if you fear that you will not do justice (between them), then (marry) only one or what your right hands possess; this is more proper, that you may not deviate from the right course. That is meaning taking wives as advisors. It also clearly states, that if someone cannot treat the wives equally, then they should only marry one wife, or a servant (what your right hands possess)

I appreciate that this is the BNP site, and I fully support the BNP, but seriously, listening to the anti-Islamic rhetoric and propoganda which is being spewed is embarassing. If this party wants to prove that it is not ‘racist', then it needs to stop campaining against Islam, and using the fear of terrorism, to recruit gullible members. Terrorism (as serious as it is) is the Communism of the era. Taking scripture out of context, does nothing but make weak points, which are easily corrected.

Ancient Briton,

I am not recommending the virtues of Islam. I am pointing out facts about it. I clearly wrote above that I am not trying to convert anyone. I am simply pointing out, that the cause of this attack was not Islam, but RACISM. They used RACIST language.

Interestingly, it is SOCIAL ISSUES in those countries, NOT THE RELIGION which are robbing the citizens of their liberties…

Of course people are going to flee their countries for a better one. Their countries are in a pathetic state of affairs. As is ours, but for different reasons. Those people (regardless of their religion) know that they can come to the UK and exploit it. Their attitudes are still being influenced by their cultural upbringing, which is based upon a very distorted version of ‘Islam'. In all honesty, it should be called Hadithism, or Sunnism, because it is not Islam.

Nothing in the Qur'an for you? As I said above, do you have a problem with it commanding divorced fathers paying child support? Do you have a problem with it commanding people to be good to their neighbours and the less fortunate? Or to divorce women with dignity and in a set way?

Indeed, I did quote from the Qur'an that there is no compulsion in religion. That is not a lie, it is sura 2 v256: [2.256] THERE IS NO COMPULSION IN RELIGION; truly the right way has become clearly distinct from error; therefore, whoever disbelieves in the Shaitan and believes in Allah he indeed has laid hold on the firmest handle, which shall not break off, and Allah is Hearing, Knowing

It does NOT command Muslims TO KILL unbelievers. THAT, is a lie. Try and get your facts straight. I am not trying to convert anyone here to Islam, or even make people here agree with Islam. All I am attempting to do, is point out that the above mentioned attack, was because of RACIAL reasons, not religious ones. The problem is IMMIGRATION. Do you have a problem with Eastern European immigrants? Afterall, they are white… They are nothing but filth polluting the streets, but I don't see people complaining about them. And as for me ‘returning to it', you clearly have not properly read a word I have written, as I clearly stated that I am BRITISH BORN. Why should I ‘return' to somewhere I have never been? I can appreciate that the BNP is not a racist party, but, if this kind of rhetoric is all it's members can come out with, I am finally understanding why so many people believe that it is.

I'm sure that you're obviously the world's greatest islamic scholar, but you'll find my quote from Surah 4 v3 is absolutely as it says in the book as translated by Abdullah Yusuf Ali. The ISBN number for this version of the book you profess to follow is 1-85326-782-1 if you feel like acquainting yourself with it. Odd how Muslims always claim that their rag is misquoted even when it's a renowned Muslim scholar who has translated it. You seem obsessed with rejecting Hadithism so I assume you are a ‘by the book alone' Muslim'. In that case can you tell me where in Surah 4 v3 it mentions taking wives as advisors?? Are you adding to Allah's word? Tut tut… I love the ‘does not have to refer solely to physical violence…' statement you make. ‘Not solely' is rather telling. Also rather telling that you fail to address any of my other quotes. As for your spurious 'struggle' claim Surah 9 v5 puts that one to bed - ‘But when the forbidden months are past, then fight (struggle????) and slay (erm….tickle???)the pagans wherever ye find them in every stratagem of war, but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them for Allah is Oft forgiving, Most merciful.' Indeed he is…if you convert, otherwise it's head-basket time. Oh no hang on there's no compulsion…unless you address that earlier quote from Surah 3 v83 .&while all creatures in the Heavens and on Earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to his will&' Hmmm ‘…willing or UNWILLING…' smacks of compulsion. Of course you can always get round that by paying tribute to your muslim overlords in the form of the Jizyah. By the way, if you reject the Hadith tradition, where do you get your daily prayer cycle from??

Ar, this is the slippery slope of different views polarizing people.

Yes I did read all your comment and noted you were born in Britain, that comment on returning was a semantic slip, as with all religion you grab for an excuse to explain why the adherents to your particular faith are psychotic sociopaths by claiming they have a 'distorted vision of Islam'!

Here is your platform, where on this planet is the correct and appealing Islam being practiced by any country that has embraced it?

Your claim that it is from the Koran that we find laws governing our treatment of individuals, our Christian based society had formulated these long ago.

We did however leave behind the medieval parts that Islam revels in throughout its domain.

You claim it's a lie to say Islam commands to kill the unbeliever, you would do better organizing fellow Muslims to engage in protest rallies throughout this country condemning the so called misunderstanding so many of its followers have, than trying to do a smoke and mirrors trick with the Koran.

The evidence of evil so richly ingrained in Islam is all around us, and so eloquently testified to by the followers of its holy book. If you have chosen to believe that the Koran is god's word then fine you have to live with your decision. However if the day comes you feel you were misguided then don't try and renounce your faith, your fellow believers won't take kindly to any who want to remove its shackles!

As to White Eastern Europeans coming to this country and screwing us and we not complaining! I think that is because on this particular thread we were talking about Asians.

But just to set the balance, Deport those White low life pieces of s h i t from Eastern Europe who have come here and are ripping us of, the vile scum I hate them!!!

Best wishes

As far as I am aware “Islam” means “surrender” [to God]. I really cannot comment one way or the other about the Koran - a book I do intend to read someday.

This surrender to God means surrendering all egotistical desires, a philosophy which you can find in Christianity, Hinduism and so on. Islam, Christianity and Judaism have common roots traceable back to Moses.

Like all religions they are man made, not God-made, and suit the culture of the countries they are based in. And like all man made organisations they will be infiltrated by power grabbers, who will keep the people down “in the name of God”. All this is of course contrary to the teachings of the wise souls, Mohammed, Jesus and the like. Surely the message from the higher dimensions is that all names and all forms of God (Jesus, Jehovah, Allah, Shiva, Dattatreya and so on) are for the same source, we all pray to the same one God who created all the dimensions and universes. And “no one can understand God's mystery not even if all mankind joined in 1000 years of austere effort” - Sai Baba, a Hindu Avatar.

Unfortunately today Islam has been hijacked by a minority of hard line despots, who seek to impose their control over people using the name of Islam. Christianity suffered a similar fate with despotic popes and maybe Henry 8th.

What I am really saying is that all decent people of whatever race religion or creed who genuinely want to live by traditional british ways are welcome, but I do not want our culture and religion eclipsed by minorities so the minorities become the majority and above all we need to limit the number of people on this small island for the sake of all. It's not a question of race, it's a question of space.

Dear BNP - Muslim, this is not a campaign against you or your right to believe in Islam. This is purely a campaign about or right as the indigenous peoples of Britain not to have Islam growing to dominate our country. I like the majority want future generations of Britons to wake up to the sound of Church bells, to smell roast beef and Yorkshire pudding, to read Chaucer, Blake, Wordsworth, not to hear the sound of the Muslim call to prayer, nor smell the all pervasive Curry, or to read Allah's hand book of hate.

Peace and best wishes.

Sura (8:55) - Surely the vilest of animals in Allah's sight are those who disbelieve Sura (48:29) - Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves Sura (9:30) - And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah… Allah (Himself) fights against them. How perverse are they! Sura (8:12) - I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them Sura (9:123) - O you who believe! Fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness Sura (5:33) - The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement

These verses come from five different places in the Qur'an. There are dozens of others scattered throughout that advocate violence in open-ended fashion. There are hundreds more that speak of hatred and hell toward Christians, Jews, and other non-believers.

Is it any wonder that the Muslim world is split largely between those who tacitly support Islamic terror and those who do nothing about it?

Thanks to the website: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Articles/Quran_Hate.htm

BNP-Supporting White Muslim. Its a good job you are not trying to convert people to islam because i for one would rather die than be a muslim and follow the beliefs and rules changed on a whim. Also i do not mention eastern european immigrants because although they do take jobs from some lazy english who should be in work rather than sat at home claiming benefits, The eastern europeans come to england to work and most importantly they do not scream and shout constantly about how they want this and that and they dont set up there own communities where it is a no go area for WHITES. The muslims want their own rules and regulations, their own laws, their own council etc and when rediculous requests are denied, they start playing the race card! Something else the English are sick of hearing. The eastern europeans integrate into society and accept our way of life. There are law breakers from all walks of life, no-one is denying that BUT the biggest noise IS coming from muslims and muslim extreamists. Ok, we shouldnt tar every muslim with the same brush but until you stop trying to take control and learn to accept England IS a Christian country and will never become a muslim majority, then you will find more people like myself that is sick of seeing the same religious rubbish in the headlines everyday. I am not prepared to let any Government give away our country to fanatical, whimsical, pathetic non-christians. I will fight tooth and nail to ensure that this country is not polluted by people who, despite claim being British, do not have solid English roots. England has enough problems with its own people, without having to deal with people from other countries. Our prisons have 11,000 people who do not belong here. People that apparently flee persecution. Yet they come here, break the law bigtime and have to go to prison at the taxpayers expense! Send them home to be executed. Who gives a damn about peope like that who break the law on a regular basis and manage to escape a punishment by coming to good old britain. The country of free money! I was once a very tolerant person but as Islam is rammed in my face every direction i turn, you can understand why the wind is changing. Please feel free to openly express yourself but please dont preach to me about Islam and its many contradictions. We all know you are preaching silently, that is how Islam got where it is today, by luring people into a false sense of security. A bit like a sly slippery snake!

I agree that the BNP is not a rascist party. They simply allow the rights of people like myself to express my feelings openly with many many others. Many other political parties only publish the things they want you to hear and see. The BNP are getting bigger and hopefully will climb to the top of the tree and flourish with traditional passion and restore the faith in people that New Labour have given away. Being in europe is giving our country away to foreigners and is a major issue, one that may swing the polls at the next election. You may be suprised to know the ammount of people that want out of the EU. Once we are, the Great will be put back into GREAT BRITAIN.

TrueBlueLoyalist, I don't think I'm the world's greatest scholar by any means. I would say though, that as someone who converted to the religion rather than being raised in it, I am looking at it on pure fundementals (the Qur'an) rather than just believing or doing something because everyone else in my family is also doing it. Rag. Nice. Would you like someone to call the Bible a ‘rag'? Moving on from that, the reason why people claim it is being mis-translated, is because the Qur'an was written 1400 years ago. Arabic, like any other living language, has changed and evolved since then. Words which once meant one thing, are now took to mean something utterly different. For example, the word Jihad. Currently taken to mean ‘religious war', when in fact, it means 'struggle'. English example: Gay. Not more than a century ago, it was used to mean ‘happy', but in contemporary use, it is widely taken as meaning ‘homosexual'. If someone said you were gay, would you think they meant you were happy? That's a shift in less than 100 years. With regards the Qur'an, it's 1400 years. Mistranslation, even by Muslim schollars, is not impossible to discount. Indeed, I am a Qur'an only Muslim. The implication about the wives being advisors is clear. It clearly states that if someone feels they cannot deal fairly with an orphan (meaning as an adopted ward) then to marry those wives, clearly implying that those wives would enable the husband to treat the orphan fairly (so either specifically telling the husband what to do, or simply advising) If they were not being married to act as a ‘moral compass', there would be no need to marry more than one wife. The passage also clearly states that someone should not have more than one wife if they are unable to treat them all equally. That is adding nothing to Allah's word, simply understanding it's intention and implications. Also, I don't follow a prayer cycle, other than what is specifically mentioned in the Qur'an itself.

Ancient Briton, How is it ‘clutching at straws' to point out, that the cultures practiced in those rather backward middle eastern and north african countries, are not actually specified in the Qur'an?

I'm not going to be pinned down to a ‘where is it properly practiced', because that is impossible to truly say. It is properly practiced, anywhere a Muslim follows the Qur'an, not blindling following the hadiths and sunnah as attributed to the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him.

Yet our ‘Christian based' society still allows absent divorced fathers to get away with not paying child maintenance. It still allows people to starve on the street and rely soly on the charity of others, rather than providing for them regardless of charitable organizations. The smoke and mirrors, are those put in place by any organized religion, not the original scripture.

I can't see why I would feel the need to renounce my faith. Before my conversion to Islam, I was an athiest, and swallowed all the anti-Islamic rhetoric going. The fact it was able to change those views completely, I cannot imagine anything doing the reverse.

Indeed, this thread is about Asian racists, not White Eastern Europeans, but, I do not see as much focus from the BNP towards those human parasites as there is towards Islam. I left a comment on the ‘Brand New Leather Jacket' thread that the images should be of White Eastern Europeans, not Muslims, yet that was not actually published to the thread by the moderation team.

I'm glad you feel that way about the eastern european trash, I just wish more was done to enforce their removal from our country.

Peace be upon you.

RickTB. Absolutely spot on. If only more people could see that, then maybe we could focus on the true issues in this country.

Ancient Briton, Re your second post. How would you feel if the indiginous people of the country were to choose of their own volition to support Islam (in it's True Form) with no influence from anyone (as was the case with me)

PS Not exactly the most un-biassed source of information, that website, is it…

BNP Supporting Muslim Said “the Qur'an was written 1400 years ago. Arabic, like any other living language, has changed and evolved since then. Words which once meant one thing, are now took to mean something utterly different. For example, the word Jihad. Currently taken to mean .religious war', when in fact, it means 'struggle'. English example: Gay. Not more than a century ago, it was used to mean .happy', but in contemporary use, it is widely taken as meaning .homosexual'. If someone said you were gay, would you think they meant you were happy?”

I Say…

In which case, do you not think it would be wise to update the Qu'ran? Perhaps a new “up to date version”. This way, Islam can have the opportunity to show the world what a peaceful religion it really is - surely. Also, it will eliminate the extremists in one foul swoop, and offer those that choose to follow it a “clearer” meaining and translation.

I do not suggest that you change the word of God, oh no, I like my head on my shoulders. I am merely suggesting that these “confusing” words and translations are made clear.

Ain't going to happen is it though. Call me sceptic, but I think I know why, as indeed do you.

Peace.

WhitePower, that is your own choice and decision, and I respect it. Easter European immigrants are a problem, certainly in Norfolk. As I said above, with the case of the girl who was turned away from a job because she could not speak Polish. They might not be trying to ‘get things changed', but neither are the vast majority of Muslims in this country. As I said previously, do not confuse Muslims who are trying to make political statements with their behaviour, as representing the majority. The Eastern European immigrants might not be trying to change anything, but, they are still wandering the streets (instead of working) with no grasp of English, which, thanks to them sliding in when their countries joined the EU, they are able to get away with. Had they tried to emmigrate legally, I'd bet they would have been rejected and turned away for lacking a reasonable grasp of English (Home Office requirement) That is, I'd bet that would happen if the government had the balls to say to such people “No, you don't make the grade, you're not coming in.” Look at Australian immigration and customs. That's how things should be here. Indeed, foreign criminals should not be filling our jails. I want to see harsher sentences and punishments applied to petty criminals, such as shoplifters, as well. That's one of the key reasons I vote BNP. As I said before, I am not trying to preach or convert anyone to Islam. All I have done, is pointed out that if someone takes the time to read the Qur'an properly, then many of the misconcieved notions, which anti-Islamic rhetoric and propaganda insist as being true, are easily found to not be so.

Here's to the BNP getting in at, if not this next election, certainly the one after that :)

DodgyLabour, Indeed, absolutely spot on point. I'd personally, be all for that. Of course, doing such a thing, would be like saying “We want to re-issue the Bible” and expecting the Catholic church to sit back and accept it. Quite simply, the church wouldn't stand for it. It would be the end of their money-grabbing, choir-boy-buggering way of life. As you say though, it's not going to happen.

You try to justify Islam by the failings of our Western Christian society, pointing out of people left starving on our streets.

Just a point, their are more starving Muslims on the streets of Islamic countries than there are here, also as a truly hypocritical stance of Muslims who shout about the great Islamic ummah and yet when there is a disaster in the world who is it that they all turn to? Why the West and the great Satan.

You ask the question whether people like me would except it if the majority of British people converted to Islam? What is the answer from Islam if the majority do not want them or there religion?

You know Islam has an agenda to Islamify the world, they engage in this fixation by proselytizing with bomb, bullet and social pressure.

I have to say as an individual I have not come to this belief about Islam through either hearsay or irrational fear, but from a position where I have researched and studied religion. Islam and its followers will bring division and hatred to these shores, no let me rephrase that. Islam and its followers have bought division and hatred.

We allow it to grow at our peril.

NB: What do you mean, 'Read the Koran properly'? Is this in the manner of all spurious text, like the Hitler Diary's, means tuning a blind eye to the glaring contradictions and disingenuous commands? So as to allow our minds to be enthralled with the controlling power of Islam!

The Koran is not a holy book, the Koran is the ramblings of the founder of Islam and no more relevant to us as a guidebook to life than the Gilgamesh story or any of the rest of screwed up mankinds drival possing as the word of God!

BNP-Supporting White Muslim: You're at it again, saying religion has ‘nothing to do' with these problems; then you ask me, do I believe in God? Yes I do, and I'm absolutely certain that God's chosen representative was never a racial supremacist, bigamist, bloodthirsty, warmongering paedophile who married a girl six years old and proceeded to ‘consumate' this ‘marriage' when she was nine. As for reading the rest of that book, I'll consider it the next time I want to be driven completely round the bend.

This is the stated opinion of an acquaintance who had just received his Degree in Psychology: ‘It's the ravings of a psychopathic madman.' There was more. And stop stating what are your own views and/or beliefs as if they were fact! It doesn't impress anyone, and it's condescending. The very last thing this world needs is Islam. It's produced a global conflict of increasing intensity for one and a half thousand years, and that's enough, thanks. We don't want it, and no amount of intimidation, infiltration and terror and or ever will change that. End of.

The favourite phrase, the commonest get-out clause of the Islamists: we ‘take it out of context'. It just goes to show, everything is a matter of personal perception, of interpretation. The glaring thing about Islam, is that it is the perfect vehicle for manipulating the poor, the uneducated and the oppressed - especially when so many of its own children are subjected to an ‘education' that consists of all-day-long robotic recitation of the same book, day in, day out. No history, no arts, music or literature, no geography, no science, in fact no real knowledge whatsoever. Much easier to control people like that.

Madrassas, or Islamic religious 'schools', are nothing more than conveyor belts to mass-produce pre-programmed, brainwashed children who almost can't avoid growing up in to monsters. Absolutely any intelligent, sentient human being can see that; the Nazis used similar methods to turn a generation into stormtroopers who thought every other race was no better than rats. The religion was not as prominent, but it was lurking around as ever, providing the excuses and the ‘enemy'.

Happily, I have learned not to confuse God and faith, with religion as practised and expressed throughout so many centuries during the long and sorry story of Mankind. I also believe that God, as our parent, would say the things that Jesus said; Jesus didn't need replacing, He just wants us to obey a few simple rules. Imagine if the whole world, for one day, lived by the instruction ‘Treat others as you would like them to treat you.' We'd all be waking up in a different world, would we not? No threats of eternal damnation, no knock at the door, no compulsion whatsoever. Love, compassion and humility above all. For ever.

…Or else. :)

The Qur'an is a rag and if someone wants to make the same accusation against the bible they can at least do so without fear of beheading. You keep blathering this nonsense about misinterpretation, yet you aren't offering an alternative angle on the whole Surah9 v5 thing .But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and SLAY the pagans wherever ye find them in every stratagem of WAR, but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them for Allah is Oft forgiving, Most merciful.'Oh and let's not forget that Muhammed (pork be upon him) was responsible for pursuing a 10 year military campaign in the name of Allah. Badr, Uhud, Trench to name 3 of 27 battles. He personally fought in 9, or was at least present, cowering under a camel. All this butchery stemmed from the usual Muslim jealousies of anyone economically more successful than themselves and was conveniently sanctioned by Allah in Surah 22 v39 ‘To those against whom war is made, permission is given to fight…' Since the context is indisputable there the translation of ‘fight' where quoted elsewhere in Allah's terrorist motivational pamphlet is indisputable also. All this drivel you spout about how wonderful Islam is because of it's policies on orphans, charity, widows etc…unless you hadn't noticed: we already have provision for such things in the UK without being oppressed by mad mullahs. Muhammed is a murderer and a paedophile and encouraging charity is no redeemer from those evils. Would you worship Peter Sutcliffe if he starting performing medieval Islamic rap and giving money to Dr Barnardo's??

Ancient Briton, You did not answer the question I put to you, namely:

How is it .clutching at straws' to point out, that the cultures practiced in those rather backward middle eastern and north african countries, are not actually specified in the Qur'an?

Yes, there are Muslims starving in those backwater countries, but, as the question above highlights, that is not because of ISLAM, it is because of the social and cultural forces at work in the countries (namely tin pot dictators using a corruption of religion to keep the masses in line)

I did ask the question. You have not answered it. You simply responded with another question. Please answer my question. Would you have a problem with indiginous white Britons (like me) converting to Islam as a result of their own studies into it (ie no Jehova's Witness-style ‘door knocking') As I said above, I read the Qur'an seeking to find fault with it, at the encouragement of Nick Griffin's comments. I WANTED to find fault with it. I WANTED to be able to say “Yes, Islam is evil because it says ….” But I never found that in the text. As to the answer to your own question,read the Qur'an, it is right there. While you're at it, read the Sura entitled ‘Disbelievers' towards the end of the text. Islam has an agenda? Don't make me laugh. Radical Muslims have an agenda. Islam is a theology, a system of belief, it has no ‘agenda', it is incapable of having one. Islam (as written in the Holy Qur'an) is the word of God, nothing more, nothing less.

Ancient Briton, re your NB:

I mean, read it properly. Read it from cover to cover, not just cherry-picking passages which hint at violence or other things. Yes, those passages exist, but, THEY MUST BE READ IN CONTEXT AND BALANCED WITH THE REST OF THE TEXT. I hope the irony of a BNP supporter using Hitler as a negative example to another BNP supporter, when most of the numpty liberal left like to accuse BNP supporters of being Nazis, isn't lost on you.

Actually, the sunnah and hadith are the ramblings of the founder of Islam… True Muslims reject those things as they are the word of man, not the word of God.

APendragon, The two points were not related. I asked if you believe in God, simply to get a better understanding on your level of faith. Many ‘christians' do not go to church, do not pray, nor do they believe in God. They are ‘christian' in name only. As for my point that religion is not the issue from this article, please point out text showing that religion IS the problem. Did the attackers call the victims ‘infidels', or did they call them ‘white honkies'? Did they invoke Allah's name when launching their attack, or did they just lay into them ‘because they were white'? If you can point out how RELIGION was the root of this attack and not RACE, then I'll happily re-consider my opinion about the attack. As for your opinion of Muhammad, peace be upon him, you do realize that one of his wives was Jewish, don't you? As for Aisha, she was BETROTHED to Muhammad, peace be upon him, at six, and the marriage was consumated at nine. Please bear in mind, that 1400 years ago, people's life-spans were shorter than they are now. Many people (in many countries) were married and sexually active at an age younger than modern society considers acceptable. By Islamic standards, once a girl becomes fertile and begins menstruating, then she is considered old enough for intercourse. Again, bear in mind that 1400 years ago, people matured mentally much faster than today. Look how immature many of today's teens are, compared to the teens of the 40s. I am not saying that I personally approve of such a marriage, I am just saying that there are signifigant cultural factors which need to be taken into consideration.

I have aquaintances who consider Nick Griffin to be the next Hitler. Doesn't mean I have to share their opinion or take it as a fact. I am not stating my opinions as facts, I am stating facts as facts: Namely, as stated above, religion was not the reason for this RACIST attack. That the ‘Islam' prevelent in many middle eastern and north african countries is at odds with the actual scriptures of the Qur'an. Those are not opinions, but facts. You may dispute them all you want, but you're going to have to provide the evidence to prove them wrong. Global conflict… Funny, I thought Christianity was responsible for that…

APendragon, People will continue to say it is “taken out of context” all the time that people continue to do so. One cannot pick phrases from and entire book, and take them solely at their ‘face value'. Without the context of the rest of the text, they become just words, utterly devoid of meaning or intent. Things MUST be viewed in their true context to be truly understood. All those things you mention, are they because of ISLAM, or because of the cultural forces in the countries themselves?

I agree, I do not confuse God or faith with practiced religion. That is why I do not follow hadith or sunnah. That is why I am a Qur'an Only Muslim (which, according to the rabid hadithists, makes me an apostate, simply because I refuse to add Muhammad, peace be upon him,'s teachings and opinions to the word of God, which the Qur'an specifically forbids)

Indeed, Jesus didn't need replacing. Did you even read my earlier comments about Constantine, the man who almost single-handedly created what is now the Catholic Church? Funny how Islam was not revealed to Mankind untill AFTER God's message had been corrupted by Catholicism…

And if people lived by those rules, and treated others as they would be treated themselves, then the world would be a much nicer place.

TrueBlueLoyalist, Clearly you are incapable of discussing the issue in a civilized manner. Your quote is accurate, but you seem to be missing the point:

.But when the forbidden months are past, then FIGHT and SLAY the pagans wherever ye find them IN EVERY STRATEGEM OF WAR, but if they repent and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity then open the way for them for Allah is Oft forgiving, Most merciful.'

So obviously WHEN THEY ARE AT WAR, but not all the time. Also, note the second part of the passage beginging “but if they repent…” You cannot take one piece of scripture without the other.

“cowering under a camel.” How do you know that?

‘To those against whom war is made, permission is given to fight&'

Yes, meaning ACTIVE COMBATANS, not CIVILIANS.

Yes, we do have polivies about orphans, charity, chiild-support, but here's the problem THEY DON'T WORK!!! The CSA is a JOKE. There are countless divorced fathers who refuse to pay the stated maintenance, and which the CSA takes no action against. The GOVERNMENT should be feeding the homeless and the orphans, NOT INDEPENDANT CHARITIES.

To answer your question, I would not worship Peter Sutcliffe. Nor do I worship Muhammad, peace be upon him. I worship ALLAH. GOD. JEHOVAH. Call Him whatever you want, THAT is who I worship. As stated, I do not ADD OTHERS to God. I do not follow hadith or sunnah. God NEVER INTENDED mankind to follow those things. The Qur'an is clear in that.

Ahh so because I won't bow to your Islamic lunacy I'm not civilised. The muslim wolf shows it's true nature. You're right you can't take one part without the other. So you obviously agree that it's ok to slay and kill until people agree to convert then. It's ok to make war in the name of Allah. Thanks for clarifying that. For someone who doesn't worship the murderous paedophile Muhammed this whole ‘peace be upon him' garbage is rather grovelly. Surely a mere humble messenger doesn't need pandered to in this way…unless he spewed his pseudo religious commandments because he was actually just a bloodthirsty megalomaniac determined to carve his name into the history books with a scimitar… How do you know the old pork dodger wasn't hiding under a camel?? Does the Qur'an say otherwise? So our western welfare is a joke? Why is it then that so many of your mohammedan infiltrator friends flood over here to claim benefits? Maybe I should try the Saudi NHS next time I have a headache. I hear they do a good amputation. No doubt that would make your day.

BNP-Supporting White Muslim: Be so kind, as to desist from lecturing me about ‘context'. I've seen more than enough ‘context' from supposedly religious people of different faiths, from the unprovoked military assaults of your self-promoting hero, right up to the two main wings of Islam slaughtering each other at this very moment. What are you trying to prove? I'm never, ever going to be a Muslim.

Your apology for child rape - never mind bigamy - is truly astounding. I don't care what relative lifespans were fourteen hundred years ago: a six-year-old girl is a six-year-old girl, as is a nine-year-old. A CHILD. There can be no excuse, none whatsoever, and we are not going down that road. It's frankly appalling that you can even think about trying to justify this kind of thing, and to try and make out that this is some kind of sacred way of life is just totally incredible. And by the way, leaving children aside, how can a man love more than one woman at a time? Are the extra ones 'spares'? If every male is entitled to any number of wives, how many will be left without a wife at all? Bigamy is illegal here, as is paedophilia. That's the way it's staying. For the love of God.

This conversation is now closed.

We need to rid ourselves of this savage filth which walk (our) streets of Great Britain once and for all. And I feel sad and heart that my grandparents died to stop something that hast to happen again.

Yes what trueblueloyalist said

Hi once again Muslim friend Shalom.

I find it amusing how of all mans idiosyncrasies religion evokes the most twisted reasoning, double speak, and confusion.

But the most laughable thing is those that have signed up to whatever particular brand of mind control that has infected the logic processing parts of their brain then believe that the ones who don't believe are always in the wrong!

Your quote: Those countries you refer to, I would agree, are barbaric and unacceptable. However, I would point out, that, despite protestations of their devotion, they are not following True Islam, as written in the Holy Qur'an.

Observation: Once again all these places that have embraced Islam appear to suffer from blindness as none of them according to you know what the Koran says. This is very worrying if it is the word of a god to his followers.

Your quote: Interestingly, it is SOCIAL ISSUES in those countries, NOT THE RELIGION which are robbing the citizens of their liberties& Of course people are going to flee their countries for a better one. Their countries are in a pathetic state of affairs. As is ours, but for different reasons. Those people (regardless of their religion) know that they can come to the UK and exploit it. Their attitudes are still being influenced by their cultural upbringing, which is based upon a very distorted version of .Islam'. In all honesty, it should be called Hadithism, or Sunnism, because it is not Islam.

Observation: The old get out of jail free card, not following the book, err don't understand what it says, err not gods fault just the fault of those that read his book wrongly, er.

Your quote: I'm not going to be pinned down to a .where is it properly practiced', because that is impossible to truly say. It is properly practiced, anywhere a Muslim follows the Qur'an, not blindling following the hadiths and sunnah as attributed to the prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him. - Observation: I think enough said.

Your quote: I did ask the question. You have not answered it. You simply responded with another question. Please answer my question. Would you have a problem with indiginous white Britons (like me) converting to Islam as a result of their own studies into it How is it .clutching at straws' to point out, that the cultures practiced in those rather backward middle eastern and north african countries, are not actually specified in the Qur'an?

Observation: No I wouldn't like it but hey as one person! NB: I don't think I ever said 'clutching at straws'? You answer my question, 'What will Islam do if the majority of people don't want it here'?

Your Quote: Islam has an agenda? Don't make me laugh. Radical Muslims have an agenda. Islam is a theology, a system of belief, it has no .agenda', it is incapable of having one. Islam (as written in the Holy Qur'an) is the word of God, nothing more, nothing less. Observation: I will refrain from swearing here, but I truly think you need to listen to the logical side of your brain, the followers of Islam believes that it must be spread throughout the world and that it is incumbent on Muslims to advance the will of Allah so that all mankind either submits to Islam or perishes. You please now not playing tricky dickey with semantics tell everyone here that Islam does not wish to convert Britain or the world to Islam and that with tolerance and grace you believe that all mankind should be left to worship in the manner they choose!

Your quote: I mean, read it properly. Read it from cover to cover, not just cherry-picking passages which hint at violence or other things. Yes, those passages exist, but, THEY MUST BE READ IN CONTEXT AND BALANCED WITH THE REST OF THE TEXT.

Observation: Have you never heard of a reference library? The more I read of the Koran the more depressed I get.

I hope the irony of a BNP supporter using Hitler as a negative example to another BNP supporter, when most of the numpty liberal left like to accuse BNP supporters of being Nazis, isn't lost on you.

Shalom,

Since I have now tried three times to post a response to APendragon, and none have been published (a cut/paste, not new responces each time) it is clear that the powers that be do not want certain views about Islam being discussed here, therefore, I will leave the posts I have made to speak for themselves, and leave things as they are. It is up to people to make up their own minds about issues, not to be told what to think. Blinkered thinking is almost as dangerous as censorship and indoctrination.

Ed Says: Lose the profanities and I will publish your comments.

Given ED's comment, I am re-posting the post. However, I will preface it by saying that I will otherwise stick to my previous comment to leave things as they are, and allow my previous posts to speak for themselves. I post this only as I have been offered the chance to do so, and because I feel they bring usefull information to the discussion.

APendragon, the conversation is NOT closed. The conversation will be closed, when you provide PROOF that the attack in the article, was caused by RELIGIOUS REASONS, and not RACIAL REASONS. As for lecturing you on .context', maybe if you accepted that taking sentances out of context of the main text changes their meaning, I would not HAVE to be lecturing you. What 'self-promoting hero' would that be? Did you not see the numerous comments where I said I do not idolize Muhammad, peace be upon him? You do not appear to be a stupid person, so I guess you are just deliberately blinkered and only reading what you want to read from my comments. What am I trying to prove? I am trying to POINT OUT, that the attack mentioned in the article was because of RACIAL REASONS, not RELIGIOUS ONES. Try answering the questions I posed. What kind of insults were used? Where they a) Religious based b) Racially based. Should be easy enough to answer that question without having to fall back on rhetoric and propoganda& Fine. Don't convert to Islam. I will just point out though, that ‘Muslim' simply means someone who submits to God's Will, and if you are someone who actually does that (ie praying, believing in God, etc), then technically, you would be submitting to God's will, so you would be a Muslim (Just not in the commonly understood Islamic sense) It makes no difference to me whatsoever. There is no compulsion in religion. As for .apology for child rape', how dare you put words into my mouth like that. How dare you! If you knew the first thing about this subject, then you would know that Aisha was betrothed to marry someone BEFORE she was betrothed to Muhammad, peace be upon him. That person's family broke off the engagement, because they did not want to associate with Muslims. Her betrothal and marriage to Muhammad, peace be upon him, was a political marriage between families, not one of lust on the part of Muhammad, peace be upon him. I CLEARLY said that I do not condone such relationships, I was simply trying to EXPLAIN how such a relationship should be viewed, rather than using modern values. So no, there is nothing 'sacred' about that. As for loving more than one woman, try reading the passage again, and this time, try and UNDERSTAND IT. It clearly says, that if a man CANNOT treat his WIVES fairly, then he should ONLY marry ONE WIFE. That is not saying that a man MUST marry more than one woman, at all. If you want to look at other shamefull families in religion, look at the Borgias, and the machinations of Pope Alexander VI, and his virtual pimping of his daughter Lucrezia for political reasons.

Your quote: APendragon, the conversation is NOT closed. The conversation will be closed, when you provide PROOF that the attack in the article, was caused by RELIGIOUS REASONS, and not RACIAL REASONS. Observation: You are trying to recommend Islam, well what you say Islam means with the excuse that anything bad a Muslim does means that they are not real Muslims as Muslims following the Koran will only do good things! This is a foolish argument that cannot be won as you conveniently sideline all the evil perpetrated by Muslims around the world who believe that they have the true understanding of the Koran and it would be you that is wrong! So it is a choice we face of either believing Millions of rabid adherents to Islam who call for world conquest or you? I say you, as there can't be any other good Muslims because we never see or hear them marching in condemnation of terrorism or of vile racism perpetrated by their own! (Contrast that with the national outpouring and self flagellation of our community over the racist murder of Anthony Walker)

Your quote: As for lecturing you on .context', maybe if you accepted that taking sentances out of context of the main text changes their meaning, I would not HAVE to be lecturing you. What 'self-promoting hero' would that be? Did you not see the numerous comments where I said I do not idolize Muhammad, peace be upon him? You do not appear to be a stupid person, so I guess you are just deliberately blinkered and only reading what you want to read from my comments. It makes no difference to me whatsoever. There is no compulsion in religion.

Observation: Yes of course context is important, but evidence is everything, Mohamed would be classed as a paedophile and sent down for a long time in our Western culture.

Islam as with all mass religious movements depends of mind control, just as the army uses the technique of destroying the individual so that they can rebuild the person as a pliable unquestioning machine, so it is with Islam and its control over the masses. This is why democracy is at odds with all Islamic countries; you can't allow people to think for themselves if you want to control them.

What political reason was there for 53 year old Muhammed sexually abusing a nine year old girl??? If the marriage was allegedly a political necessity did that really require him to consumate it while she was still a child? No it didn't is the answer; therefore Muhammed was a vile paedophile out to sate his evil lust. Islam IS a factor in the hammer attack case since these Asian muslim thugs have been indoctrinated with the violent ideology of Islam. They see those outside the Islamic clique as less than human and have Allah's approval to murder as multiple quotes from the Surahs above have confirmed. Do you think ‘BNP SUPPORTING WHITE MUSLIM' that your Muslim compatriots would have attacked this lad if he were a Muslim of the same sect as themselves? No they wouldn't, because he would be seen as having submitted to Islamic slavery. Islam makes violent expression easy as it offers it a pseudo-religious justification. The additional racial element to this attack is merely an acknowledgement that the vast majority of white Britons reject Allah, Muhammed and the Qur'an and all the murder, paedophilia and slavery that you seek to champion. Your assumptions about the faith of other writers on this message board who have made no claim to any faith and subsequent attacks on Christianity is a clear indicator of your bigotry and hatred for Christians. In particular - Roman Catholics…and before your prejudice suggests otherwise; I'm no supporter of Rome or the Papacy.

Ancient Briton, Your observations to the points I made, are not actually addressing the points I made… You are trying to recommend Islam, well what you say Islam means with the excuse that anything bad a Muslim does means that they are not real Muslims as Muslims following the Koran will only do good things! This is a foolish argument that cannot be won as you conveniently sideline all the evil perpetrated by Muslims around the world who believe that they have the true understanding of the Koran and it would be you that is wrong! So it is a choice we face of either believing Millions of rabid adherents to Islam who call for world conquest or you? I say you, as there can't be any other good Muslims because we never see or hear them marching in condemnation of terrorism or of vile racism perpetrated by their own! (Contrast that with the national outpouring and self flagellation of our community over the racist murder of Anthony Walker)

I have merely pointed out that certain things are not sanctioned by Islam, but, the distored ‘organized' version of Islam, still carries them out. The most easy example of this, is the order of the ritual washing before praying. The Qur'an specifies the order with which a Muslim should make wudu, yet, the Sunnists insist on instead, following the order taken by Muhammad, peace be upon him. There is no reason for this, other than organised religion not truly following original scripture.

Observation: Yes of course context is important, but evidence is everything, Mohamed would be classed as a paedophile and sent down for a long time in our Western culture.

But, he was not living in a western culture. Was he.

Observation: Islam as with all mass religious movements depends of mind control, just as the army uses the technique of destroying the individual so that they can rebuild the person as a pliable unquestioning machine, so it is with Islam and its control over the masses. This is why democracy is at odds with all Islamic countries; you can't allow people to think for themselves if you want to control them. And, as I stated several times, those so-called ‘Islamic Countries' are not following true Islam. The issues there are cultural, social and political forces, with ‘Islam' being used as a justification, when in reality, it is nothing to do with those issues.

What political reason was there for 53 year old Muhammed sexually abusing a nine year old girl???

Do a little research, and you will discover the answer for that yourself. Type ‘Aisha' into Google, and read the Wikipedia article about her.

If the marriage was allegedly a political necessity did that really require him to consumate it while she was still a child? No it didn't is the answer; therefore Muhammed was a vile paedophile out to sate his evil lust. That is a false statement though. He did NOT consumate the marriage while she was still ‘a child'. In that culture, once a girl begins her menstrual cycle, she is considered not to be a child anymore. One might argue the mental faculties of someone of that age, but, as before, I would point out that in such times, people matured (mentally) and married much younger than is legal under current UK legislation. As I said above, I am not saying that I approve of such a marriage, all I am saying, is that it cannot be judged without considering the customs and practices of the time.

Islam IS a factor in the hammer attack case since these Asian muslim thugs have been indoctrinated with the violent ideology of Islam.

I repeat the question which APendragon has not answered. Did the attackers use language which was:

a) Religiously motivated, or b) Racially motivated.

“white honkies” is your clue…

Do you think .BNP SUPPORTING WHITE MUSLIM' that your Muslim compatriots would have attacked this lad if he were a Muslim of the same sect as themselves?

I certainly would not have thought so. Of course, that does nothing to change the fact that this attack was RACIALLY motivated.

Your assumptions about the faith of other writers on this message board who have made no claim to any faith

Scan the thread. There is mention of British CHRISTIAN heritage. As I said above, Britain was a PAGAN country untill Christianity was FORCED onto the indiginous population by the Roman Empire.

and subsequent attacks on Christianity is a clear indicator of your bigotry and hatred for Christians. In particular - Roman Catholics&

I have not attacked Christianity or Catholocism at all. I have pointed out the history and origins of Catholicism and how it is an intentional distortion, by Constantine, of the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth. That is not attack, but historical fact. Feel free to research Constantine yourself. Infact, I encourage you to do so.

While you're at it, also research Pope Alexander VI and the Borgia family.

I have no hatred for Christians or Catholics or Jews. They worship the same god as I worship, albeit in slightly different ways. I do, however, hate the Catholic Church's tollerance of paedophila amongst its priesthood.

'white honkies' is your clue& Conveniently ignoring the point that the racial element is an acknowledgement and thereby an expression of their Islamic supremacist indoctrination. They could just as easily have said ‘die pig, die.' You admit yourself that they wouldn't have attacked a white Mohammedan. You haven't attacked Christianity or Catholicism? I quote: ‘…Catholic church to sit back and accept it. Quite simply, the church wouldn't stand for it. It would be the end of their money-grabbing, choir-boy-buggering way of life.' Strong words for someone who doesn't hate and since I'm not approaching this argument from a Roman Catholic prespective why else would you try to deflect the argument in that direction?? So it's ok for Muhammed to be a child molester because of ‘cultural' differences is it? What date in history have you set as the cut off date for paedophilia being acceptable? So because Christianity was imposed upon the ancient Britons it's ok for you and your fellow Muhammedans to do it to us now? And before you blather lies about no compulsion, remember that contradiction in Surah 3 v83 .&while all creatures in the Heavens and on Earth have, WILLING OR UNWILLING, bowed to his will&' You still haven't addressed the alternative translations to 'slay' and ‘war' that you claim exist. If we were to believe you then there would be about 75 different words in the Qur'ag that all mean 'struggle'. No-one here is falling for your propaganda. You may as well quit playing the role of the Islamic Lord Haw Haw. There are only three things to recommend the Qur'ag - it's soft, strong and incredibly absorbent…

BNP Muslim you claim that the observations I made were not addressing the points you made?

Well as far as I see it your only defence of the Koran and the Islamic belief is that no one is actually following it!

Despite the continually trumpeted boast that Islam is the worlds fastest growing religion and that there are over 1 billion Muslims, it appears that if we are to believe you then the great Allah has screwed up because he can't accurately convey to the minds of his followers his word!

Religion was rightly described as 'the opium of the people'! As I said mass mind control, and the best way to do it is by smoke, mirrors and confusion. In the Islamic world there is plenty of that!

When one of those Islamic countries shows the world how our lives can be improved by actually first improving the lives of its own subjects, then and only then can your claims carry any substance.

Nowhere not one single place on this planet has been improved by Islam, you may find as Winston Churchill said, 'A good Muslim' but trying to change other peoples countries with this failed belief system is ludicrous. If it has changed your life for the better then great, as an individual act as an individual by showing your belief and faith as a personal testament.

NB: We daily see the personal testament of the rest of Islam.

TrueBlueLoyalist, It is ignoring nothing. Are all Muslims in the world the same race or ethnicity? Yes or No.

The attack was clearly RACIALLY motivated, and carried out by RACISTS.

Wake up and smell the coffee…

Since when has stating facts been considered ‘attacking' something? Do Catholic Priests bugger their choir-boys? Yes or No. The multi-million dollar payouts in America about this issue might give you a clue…

I never once said that I approved of such a marriage, I was merely pointing out the FACTS, that as well as Cultural differences (Let's lose the ironic ” marks, because there actually WERE differences in cultures) there were political reasons behind the marriage. If Muhammad, peace be upon him, was actually ‘a child molester', as you find amusing to label him, then there would have been other historical instances of corroboration, yet there are none.

What a tired and pathetic question. The age of consent in Holland is MUCH lower than the age of consent in the UK. Are you going to suggest that the Dutch are a nation of paedophiles? The age of consent in this country is a recent (considering we are talking about events from 2000-1400 years ago) statute. Take a look at Roman Culture and see what the age of consent was then… I am not trying to justify anything, I am just pointing out that actions and events must be examined by the culture of their time, not the culture of the day. As before, in that culture, once a girl begins her menstrual cycles, she IS NO LONGER CONSIDERED TO BE A CHILD.

Firstly, I am not trying to impose my beliefs onto anyone. Secondly, I am not a Muhammedan. I am a Muslim. (and there IS a difference) I DO NOT WORSHIP Muhammad, peace be upon him, I WORSHIP GOD. Quite a difference.

The point I was making, was that what people are calling ‘British Christian Heritage', is a FALSE heritage, as the ORIGINAL religion of the British Isles was Paganism. How many people here want to renounce Christianity and follow Paganism? I'm not going to hold it against anyone, it's up to them, but seriously, insisting that people are follwing ‘the true faith of Britain', is laughable.

And if I were to provide 100% definitive proof of these misinterperetations people here would accept them? Don't make me laugh.

Propoganda? The only propoganda here, is being spouted by a bunch of Islamophobes who have never read the Qur'an, likely never even SEEN a Muslim, and are prepared to follow one person's distorted interperetation of the text (which was done intentionally to win over those too ignorant to see the mistake)

If you want to blame ‘Muslims' for the state of affairs the country is in, feel free. Personally, I'd rather blame the true cause: Unchecked immigration.

Ancient Briton, Indeed, your point is quite true, there are very few Muslims following ‘true Islam' as written in the Qur'an, as most are people born into Muslim families, and following the ‘organized version' of the religion, not the original source material. It is, like I said above, like the people in the UK who call themselves ‘Christians', but who don't read the Bible, don't go to church, work on the sabbath, and who don't actually believe in God.

The point I am making, is that Islam itself is not the problem, but people who follow a distorted version of it. Look at the Teddy Bear incident. What was it that actually got the teacher released? Diplomatic efforts by the British Government, or, diplomatic efforts undertake by two Muslim peers (despite the government specifically telling them not to get involved) It is clear that there are more rational minds in the Islamic community than the media would allow people to believe, but, putting such a ‘positive spin' on Islam doesn't sell copy.

The fault does not lie with God. His message is clear. The fault lies with Mankind, who choose to add others to God, and who distort His message for their own gain.

As I mentioned before, I did not convert to Islam because someone ‘made me do it', I converted because I read the Qur'an, and then CHOSE to do so myself. Would people be objecting to people converting to Islam in such a manner? If so, that sounds to me like enforced belief on the part of a government. Not something we want to be voting into power, or allowing to remain in power.

If that's your opinion on religion, you are more than welcome to it. It used to be an opinion that I shared. Times, opinions and people can all change.

When one of those ‘Islamic Countries' actually follows God's message as outlined in the Holy Qur'an, rather than following Sunnism and hadith worship, I'll be sure to let you know. Note: This topic is now closed - ed.

Quote BNB Muslim# 'like the people in the UK who call themselves .Christians', but who don't read the Bible, don't go to church, work on the sabbath, and who don't actually believe in God.' – Yes and don't go around with a gun bomb and bible trying to murder unbelievers! You are perfectly at liberty here in the West to convert to and follow the belief of your choosing, perhaps when the next outrage perpetrated by these misguided Muslims kills our people we can expect to see the real Muslims like yourself on our streets calling for the removal of those psychotic sociopaths that are infesting Britain to be removed?

I doubt it though!

You'll note that the bible doesn't call upon Roman Catholic priests to commit sodomy, much as it is undoubtedly prevalent. The Qur'an DOES demand that it's adherents exterminate or convert it's opponents, as has been proven with numerous quotes above, which you avoid addressing on every occasion. I refer you back to your agreement with the point that the attack wouldn't have occurred had the victim been a Muhammedan. I also refer you back to the other points you ignored - ‘So because Christianity was imposed upon the ancient Britons it's ok for you and your fellow Muhammedans to do it to us now? And before you blather lies about no compulsion, remember that contradiction in Surah 3 v83 .&while all creatures in the Heavens and on Earth have, WILLING OR UNWILLING, bowed to his will&' You still haven't addressed the alternative translations to 'slay' and .war' that you claim exist. If we were to believe you then there would be about 75 different words in the Qur'ag that all mean 'struggle'.' Finally, you seem to be attributing to me claims that Christianity was the original faith of Britain, which I never did. Another deflection tactic on your part. Oh and I HAVE read the Qur'ag hence the quotes and if not rolling over and letting Allah rub my belly makes me an Islamophobe in your eyes then amen. I await your ‘100% definitive proof' of misinterpretations…don't expect me to hold my breath.

Lets face it in my opinion all religions are responsible for a hell of alot of wars,i therefor have by beliefs but will never ever preach them for this reason. I've worked up and down the country shopfitting alot in previous years and never had a problem with race untill recently when i had to work in the East End of London.All i did was ask for directions to the high street and and got a load racial abuse for being white,twice i hasten to add about 100yrds apart for each other. Now tell me who are the racists!!!!

Forget the Govt, we need a workable strategy, saying things like we should restrict immigration is not a workable strategy because the Lib Lab Cons aint going to do it. So what can we do.

This really sickens me. When are people going to realise this problem isn't just going to go away on its own, when it is going to get alot worse as time goes on.

I am a white (can I say white without getting creamed on this website?) mother of 3 and seriously wonder what kind of world I am bringing my kids into. It's scary. I have always thought of voting for BNP but was under the (false as I now know) impression that the BNP was extremist. I was having a conversation with someone today saying that I was so fed up with Britain being sucked dry and about the violence, bombings and having to be “politically correct” and treading on eggshells around others that I was seriously thinking of voting BNP which I thought was a last resort. I got back to my car at the train station and found a BNP business card on it, which was a little creepy to say the least! I then went on this website and my eyes have been well and truly opened. I will be voting BNP at the next election and am just upset at all the wasted votes I threw away on the other guys. What a shame this eye opening came so late! Apologies for my lack of political awareness. It will not happen again.

Ed Says: We have all been guilty of that in the past, I can assure you.

And so the UK continues on its way to Hell in a handbasket. The mainstream political parties in Britian (from Right to Left) are totally ineffectual when it comes to protecting the rights and welfare of indigenous Britons so don't waste your vote on them. To secure the country's future - vote for the BNP at every level of Government or suffer the consequence.

It is heartening to read so many contributions that align with my own point of view - that is, Britons are in very real danger of being marginalised in their own country by this influx of Christian-hating zealots who are hell-bent on setting up Islamic States wherever they land. The British people need to act - NOW - to get their so-called political representatives to respond to this perilous situation. Hopefully, the true aims of the BNP will be highlighted by a massive vote for their candidates in the forthcoming GLA elections. Good luck and God speed.

The Bird Feeder

I bought a bird feeder. I hung

It on my back porch and filled

It lovingly with seed. It was indeed a beautiful bird feeder.

Within a

Week we had hundreds of birds

Taking advantage of the

Continuous flow of free and

Easily accessible food.

But then the birds started

Building nests in the boards

Of the patio, above the table,

And next to the barbecue.

Then came the bird shit. It was

Everywhere; on the patio tile,

The chairs, the table …

Everywhere!

Then some of the birds

Turned mean. They would

Dive bomb me and try to

Peck me even though I had

Fed them out of my own

Pocket.

And others birds were

Boisterous and loud. They

Sat on the feeder and

Squawked and screamed at

All hours of the day and night

And demanded that I fill it

When it got low on food.

After a while, I couldn't even

Sit on my own back porch

Anymore. So I took down the

Bird feeder and in three days

The birds were gone. I cleaned

Up their mess and took down

The many nests they had built

All over the patio.

Soon, the back yard was like

It used to be … Quiet, serene

And no one demanding their

Rights to a free meal.

Now let's see ….

Our government gives out

Free food, subsidized housing,

Free medical care, and free

Education and allows anyone

Born here to be an automatic

Citizen.

Then the illegals came by

The millions. Suddenly

Our taxes went up to pay for

Free services; small apartments

Are housing 5 or more families; you

Have to wait 6 hours to be seen

By a doctor in an emergency room

Because it is filled with illegals;

Your child's 2nd grade class is

Behind other schools because

Over half the class doesn't speak

English.

Corn Flakes now come in a

Bilingual box; I have to

‘press one' to hear my bank

Talk to me in English, and

People waving flags other

Than ‘Old Glory' are

Squawking and screaming

In the streets, demanding

More rights and free liberties.

Its just my opinion but:

Maybe, just maybe,

it's time for the government

To take down the damn bird feeder.

If you agree, pass it on; if not,

Continue cleaning up the shit!

12:28 feb 11th still no news!

Some sinister forces are working in the backround to strip off the last dignity of the once PROUD WHITE MAN!!! It is a nightmare, we are all living in and it needs to stop NOW!!! WHITE PEOPLE WORLD WHITE: Unite and resist this brutal injustice.

Deport all anti-white racistst NOW. Laws mus be changed to strip off British Citizenship of ALL Muslims, who spit on us and think, they can take us all for a ride. ( In my case deport them from Italy :) ) However Italy is a paradise compared to the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and France concerning the “Islamic Problem”

Isn't it funny that I never heard anything about this on the news. But I bet if this was a case of three white men shattering the skull of an Asian man it would be all over the headlines for weeks on end. This is because we are treated as the second class people and as aliens in our own country, when we are in fact the indigenous people, whose ancestors worked, fought and in many cases died for this country.

TotalDisgrace: yes you certainly are! and white-muslim or whatever you call yourself, why did you have to bring all that islamic crap up on this thread? If you want to discuss Arab cults and ancient pagen moon Gods please could you do so else where away from us BNP supporters and in another forum, WE AINT INTERESTED OK! you cannot and will not change any of us so just get on your camel and ride on somewhere else!

GEORGE: I'm from Stepney too brother and I can feel your pain bro. I'm 4th generation east-ender (from scottish stock) all my fourfathers worked on the docks and fought in both world wars, its deluded traiters like “TotalDisgrace” that should be deported just like those murdering terrorist jew hating bastards! BTW I used to drink in the Thomas niel years ago, it's the only pub left which hasn't been fire-bombed by untouchable bangali muslim mobs. oh well I better go before I start cussing!

so u Bnp bastards cuz thats what you are have rejected the comment iv written becuz u know that ur mothers cuz ur fathers are all drunks have gone 2 turkey or other foreign places to get a toyboy now u tell me why that is acceptable but british muslims that were born here are not …..

Your comments were rejected for reasons reflected in the above - Ed

I think I have worked on this housing estate in Stepney, at a Bangladeshi house. I was sent there some 6 years ago to fit carpet in the empty flats for new residents. Because I carried my carpet fitting tool kit in an army bergan rucksack, I was told by some cheeky local Bangladeshi lads that I had better watch my back as I was likely to get stabbed after dark as I had an army bag, and it was a no-go area for whites. I told them it was a green-coloured rucksack for Britain, and not a sand coloured one, and to **** ***. But I felt my stress levels rise through the roof.

I am now left in Leyton in London with only two white mates. We are surrounded by mosques, crack dealers, prostitutes, potential terrorist funders and sympathisers, and Islamic religious fanatics. I am deeply concerned about other areas of England in the future, as this area–Leyton–has had it. The battle of the south east–good luck BNP.

In reference to some of the debates above… It seems to be in a muslims nature to try and recruit or preach undiluted hate. I get it all the time where I live, if I happen to get caught short on a night out and have to get a cab, the drivers on quite a few occasions have tried to preach to me or convert me, the cheek of it. I find it insulting. I not agree with islam at all. Nor will I ever.

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Many are having the same experience. Welcome aboard, Riothamus - Ed